Louis Riddick Is Gone

riggins44 · 05-14-2008, 08:30 AM

As a fan for 40 + years, my job is to support and cheer the guys that wear the burgundy and gold each Sunday. How or who picks or scouts them
is beyond my control.

Riddick does need to learn the business proverb..."be nice to people under you, because you never know when they will pass you on their way up."

HTTR

skinsfan69 · 05-14-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

Everyone's been jumpin all over JLC lately about his opinion of the draft, the coaching search & now this. True, he only can gain access to so many people at redskins park & his views are of course affected by them, but he at least he does talk to somebody there.

He also talks to other nfl people, who if you read the blog regulary, have both criticized & complimented the skins over the years. e.g. he quoted a source last summer that said putting Heyer in at LT during the preseason was crazy (which I can agree with). The same source later in the year said Buges had done a good job of coahing Heyer up.

Is it still a surprise to anyone that people from other teams have negative views of the Skins management? Is it still a mystery to any of us here why the Skins have the rep they do under Snyder? It shouldn't be, and while I give the danny et al credit for adjusting over the years, I still think it's too early to say that they've changed their ways & are building a consistent, winning team. Are there good signs of improvement? Yes, but things would look a lot different now to me if we'd made the deal w/Cincy.

JLC, if you believe him, has seen a good deal of the danny's dysfunctional moves over the years. He's also been told one thing by skins mgmt., only to see things go differently. Is he too jaded to see anything good now? I really don't think so, I think he's doing what most any person would in his shoes; be skeptical.

I hope Vinny is really good at what he does, and I also believe he deserves a fair chance at running the show. I'm not one of those that was always calling for his head, because I've never been able to tell who is calling most of the shots anyway. Now that it appears he's running the show, I'll be as patient as possible, likewise w/Zorn. However, I won't be the least bit surprised if & when a lot of people here start calling out vinny again.

Yeah, firing somebody in this biz is no big deal & I"m not saying it's "bad PR." But I will go so far as to say that it's not unreasonable to look at moves like this and associate them w/a past pattern of behavior that was unhealthy as JLC did.

If I would criticize JLC for anything it would be that he didn't elaborate enough in the past or in this article about Gibbs' coming close to replacing some of the scouting dept.

I had almost turned the corner on Vinny. But after that Chad Johnson fiasco I simply don't think he knows how to build a team. I still can't believe that he almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for Chad Johnson. Would Bill Polian ever do any dumb shit like that? Hell no! I don't trust the guy.

GTripp0012 · 05-14-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I had almost turned the corner on Vinny. But after that Chad Johnson fiasco I simply don't think he knows how to build a team. I still can't believe that he almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for Chad Johnson. Would Bill Polian ever do any dumb shit like that? Hell no! I don't trust the guy.

Well, he then spent the result of trading those picks on a pair of receivers...so the short-term impact of it is null. Long-term, we will be better off for not dealing for CJ, but if the goal was to not take two picks and throw them at a position of middling need, we failed.

freddyg12 · 05-14-2008, 11:53 AM

ah, the Vinny haters/doubters have re-emerged!

Seriously though, there are any no. of reasons to question the way the front office has run under Danny (& vinny). I like that Vinny has now been apparently been given some teeth to make decisions, though time will tell & I imagine we'll hear about it somehow if Snyder is indeed making big football decisions while Vinny is still his front man. In essence, I want to see Vinny really be our GM, which is what his title & all indications are that he's doing now. If that doesn't work I'll want to see him replaced, but I'd like to see him get an honest chance w/some real power first.

As for this first draft w/Vinny in this role, I agree w/Boswell's article, that they followed the draft board to an extreme. But, only they know to what extent they followed it. IF Davis is only 1% better than Groves from Auburn (who I believe was still available), then they followed the board to a fault. If Davis was 10-15% better, then I think they made the right move. Same for the Kelly selection. I won't argue the Thomas selection as I think it was a near steal. I also applaud the trading back as it decreased the cost/risk factor of the picks.

Overall though, I think the fact that we used 10 picks & made some smart trades on draft day should speak highly of the draft & Vinny's work so far. I'm hopeful about a no. of things the team is doing, but the CJ trade talk still lingers in my mind as evidence that the Danny isn't too much of a changed man just yet. Riddick being fired may just be another inconsequential move in the long run, but as I said earlier, there's still plenty of reason to be skeptical of how things roll at Redskins Park.

skinsfan69 · 05-14-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, he then spent the result of trading those picks on a pair of receivers...so the short-term impact of it is null. Long-term, we will be better off for not dealing for CJ, but if the goal was to not take two picks and throw them at a position of middling need, we failed.

I would much rather draft two guys, let them learn your system, let them grow in your system and pay them less. Thank god for Mike Brown.

skinsfan69 · 05-14-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddyg12

ah, the Vinny haters/doubters have re-emerged!

Seriously though, there are any no. of reasons to question the way the front office has run under Danny (& vinny). I like that Vinny has now been apparently been given some teeth to make decisions, though time will tell & I imagine we'll hear about it somehow if Snyder is indeed making big football decisions while Vinny is still his front man. In essence, I want to see Vinny really be our GM, which is what his title & all indications are that he's doing now. If that doesn't work I'll want to see him replaced, but I'd like to see him get an honest chance w/some real power first.

As for this first draft w/Vinny in this role, I agree w/Boswell's article, that they followed the draft board to an extreme. But, only they know to what extent they followed it. IF Davis is only 1% better than Groves from Auburn (who I believe was still available), then they followed the board to a fault. If Davis was 10-15% better, then I think they made the right move. Same for the Kelly selection. I won't argue the Thomas selection as I think it was a near steal. I also applaud the trading back as it decreased the cost/risk factor of the picks.

Overall though, I think the fact that we used 10 picks & made some smart trades on draft day should speak highly of the draft & Vinny's work so far. I'm hopeful about a no. of things the team is doing, but the CJ trade talk still lingers in my mind as evidence that the Danny isn't too much of a changed man just yet. Riddick being fired may just be another inconsequential move in the long run, but as I said earlier, there's still plenty of reason to be skeptical of how things roll at Redskins Park.

I can live with the way the draft went. The bottom line is we're not scoring enough points to be a SB contending team.

Cowell · 05-16-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I can live with the way the draft went. The bottom line is we're not scoring enough points to be a SB contending team.

SB contender? We generally don't score enough points to have a positive record... I'm thrilled when we make it to the playoffs. And quite honestly we will be lucky to make it there this year.

HenryGale · 05-16-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowell

SB contender? We generally don't score enough points to have a positive record... I'm thrilled when we make it to the playoffs. And quite honestly we will be lucky to make it there this year.

Lucky is right. New coach, new system, and another year on those O and D-lines, if we make 8-8 I'll be excited.

05-14-2008, 08:30 AM	#31 (permalink)
riggins44 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 122	Re: Louis Riddick Is Gone As a fan for 40 + years, my job is to support and cheer the guys that wear the burgundy and gold each Sunday. How or who picks or scouts them is beyond my control. Riddick does need to learn the business proverb..."be nice to people under you, because you never know when they will pass you on their way up." HTTR

05-14-2008, 11:53 AM	#34 (permalink)
freddyg12 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,100	Re: Louis Riddick Is Gone ah, the Vinny haters/doubters have re-emerged! Seriously though, there are any no. of reasons to question the way the front office has run under Danny (& vinny). I like that Vinny has now been apparently been given some teeth to make decisions, though time will tell & I imagine we'll hear about it somehow if Snyder is indeed making big football decisions while Vinny is still his front man. In essence, I want to see Vinny really be our GM, which is what his title & all indications are that he's doing now. If that doesn't work I'll want to see him replaced, but I'd like to see him get an honest chance w/some real power first. As for this first draft w/Vinny in this role, I agree w/Boswell's article, that they followed the draft board to an extreme. But, only they know to what extent they followed it. IF Davis is only 1% better than Groves from Auburn (who I believe was still available), then they followed the board to a fault. If Davis was 10-15% better, then I think they made the right move. Same for the Kelly selection. I won't argue the Thomas selection as I think it was a near steal. I also applaud the trading back as it decreased the cost/risk factor of the picks. Overall though, I think the fact that we used 10 picks & made some smart trades on draft day should speak highly of the draft & Vinny's work so far. I'm hopeful about a no. of things the team is doing, but the CJ trade talk still lingers in my mind as evidence that the Danny isn't too much of a changed man just yet. Riddick being fired may just be another inconsequential move in the long run, but as I said earlier, there's still plenty of reason to be skeptical of how things roll at Redskins Park.

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