Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Odell Thurman Cut:

Redskins Locker Room


View Poll Results: Would you take a chance on recently cut LB Odell Thurman?
Yes 47 35.61%
No 85 64.39%
Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-20-2008, 04:58 PM   #46
Franchise Player
 
skinsfan69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arlington, VA.
Posts: 9,341
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 70Chip View Post
The sad part is that the best indication that he shouldn't be signed is not his drug use, but the fact that the Bengals cut him. If he had anything at all he'd still be a Bengal regardless of his past. Good players rarely get cut no matter what they do off the field.
Exactly. If this was Carson Palmer he'd still be on the roster. Look at Chad Johnson? He's bitched and moaned and he's not going anywhere cause they know he can help them win. If it was someone else crying with less value they'd be gone.
skinsfan69 is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 05-20-2008, 07:48 PM   #47
Special Teams
 
DGreene28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 335
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

On the flip side... every time I see a player available who I think could help the team I log onto this site and can't believe all the holier then thou posters who say a guy is a douche for getting a DUI or possession of Marijuana. None of you will ever have to work with the guy or even talk to him, if the FO decides that he's worth bringing in for a look at camp then they should.

If our country feels our president does not have to live up to your extreme "character" standards then acknowledge that you are in the minority Take a chill pill ... we're talking 'bout football.

Realize that you are not the only one with an educated football opinion on this board, and because you believe a certain way about this "character" conversation does not make you right. IMO the ones on this site who would make good FO people are the ones who look at these situations on a case by case basis, not making blanket decisions on personnel based on whether a player has a criminal record.
__________________
Optimism can make you look stupid, but cynicism always makes you look cynical. - Calum Fisher
DGreene28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2008, 07:57 PM   #48
Special Teams
 
DGreene28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 335
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtbag359 View Post
If it was up to the people on the forums the Redskins would be made up of former starters from other teams, all with vet min + incentives contracts.
Hmm... having a 25 year old linebacker who was considered a top 8 talent overall at LB in 2007 as a backup on our team at a bargain salary doesn't make a lot of sense.

It's not even worth considering.
__________________
Optimism can make you look stupid, but cynicism always makes you look cynical. - Calum Fisher
DGreene28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2008, 11:01 PM   #49
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 28
Posts: 14,425
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DGreene28 View Post
Hmm... having a 25 year old linebacker who was considered a top 8 talent overall at LB in 2007 as a backup on our team at a bargain salary doesn't make a lot of sense.

It's not even worth considering.
I mean it's worth considering, but as a fan you're basically just banging your head against the wall. The Redskins don't like signing guys that are down in the count (ie two strikes). I'm surprised that people haven't mentioned that Odell has actually failed two drug test (the one he missed and another one that he actually took).

On top of that I have a problem with signing a guy that has f'ed up in the past as much as Odell and taking away reps in practice from guys that work their ass off while walking the straight and narrow. If history is any indication then one of the linebacker's on our roster will emerge as a solid contributer at OLB.

Take 2004 when the team got rid of Trotter, of course we signed Barrow but I think people knew that he wasn't going to suit up once we hit training camp. I'm pretty sure everyone was nervous as hell when they found out that Antonio Pierce would be our starting MLB and look how that turned out.

That same year Lavar was having problems staying healthy, and who emerged? Lamar Marshall. I doubt that anyone was talking about the guy before the season started but by the end of the year most of the people that followed the team knew who he was. And on top of that he gave us a pretty good year at MLB in 2005.

2006.......lets not talk about 2006.

2007 HB Blades emerges as a jack of all trades, and is now considered a possible succesor to Fletcher. Was anyone really talking about him before the season started? Doubt it, though some of the draft junkies probbly expected good things.

Plus if it turns out that we leave 2008 needing a LB, well your in luck because the 2009 draft is projected to be as good, if not better then the 2006 class in terms of LB's. Of course it's still early but at this point we're talking about LB prospects not QB's who seem to have a harder time staying on top.

If the team felt it needed another LB, then it would make a play for Odell, but they haven't so what does that tell you? The Redskins make me nervous sometimes but when it comes to Linebackers, 9 times out of 10 their usually right. Of course if history is any indication then Khary Campbell or Matt Sinclair will emerge as the mystery guy I'm alluding to, but Gatewood and Bryan Wilson also seem to be possible contribuers down the line though for now Wilson will play special teams as will Gatewood, but I can easily see the team using Gatewood as a rush LB on 3rd down situations. Not saying that those two undrafted guys are the answer, but as backups that will see extensive action in maybe 2 or 3 games well that I'm fine with.

And if worse comes to worse they'll probably just sign a former starter shortly after the season starts like they did last year with Godfrey, but next time please just pick on Matty instead of me. That way I won't feel compelled to write an essay.

Almost forgot, for what it's worth Matt Sinclair was one of the better players in NFL Europa when he played for Frankfurt, and on top of that he has experience at all 3 LB positions.

news - NFL: EUROPE: Matt Sinclair replies

Plus if Odell is the same player that you alluded to being a former top 8 linebacker, then why hasn't anyone else taken a chance on him? Theres 30 other teams he could go to. Why did he get suspended for two years? I'm sure there were some things he did during his first year off that compelled Godell to give him another year, and even the Bengals said they "had not seen the right steps taken by him."

Look my point is theres more to this story then a skiped drug test, DUI, and dropped assault charge. The problem is we don't know what it is, but I'm pretty sure that every director of personel around the league does. Otherwise teams would be salavating over the chance to get a guy that was playing at the level Thurman was.
__________________
"Hey baby, wake up from your a sleep." -Zlad

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 08:47 AM   #50
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DGreene28 View Post
On the flip side... every time I see a player available who I think could help the team I log onto this site and can't believe all the holier then thou posters who say a guy is a douche for getting a DUI or possession of Marijuana. None of you will ever have to work with the guy or even talk to him, if the FO decides that he's worth bringing in for a look at camp then they should.

If our country feels our president does not have to live up to your extreme "character" standards then acknowledge that you are in the minority Take a chill pill ... we're talking 'bout football.

Realize that you are not the only one with an educated football opinion on this board, and because you believe a certain way about this "character" conversation does not make you right. IMO the ones on this site who would make good FO people are the ones who look at these situations on a case by case basis, not making blanket decisions on personnel based on whether a player has a criminal record.
Excellent post, especially your last point, picking up a fa doesn't mean you don't value the draft, there's no absolute method.
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 09:52 AM   #51
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,440
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DGreene28 View Post
On the flip side... every time I see a player available who I think could help the team I log onto this site and can't believe all the holier then thou posters who say a guy is a douche for getting a DUI or possession of Marijuana. None of you will ever have to work with the guy or even talk to him, if the FO decides that he's worth bringing in for a look at camp then they should.

If our country feels our president does not have to live up to your extreme "character" standards then acknowledge that you are in the minority Take a chill pill ... we're talking 'bout football.

Realize that you are not the only one with an educated football opinion on this board, and because you believe a certain way about this "character" conversation does not make you right. IMO the ones on this site who would make good FO people are the ones who look at these situations on a case by case basis, not making blanket decisions on personnel based on whether a player has a criminal record.
I think you're taking this to an extreme just a bit here. I think most of us are willing to look past some character issues, but when it comes to guys like Thurman who have quite the checkered legal history and is coming off a 2 year suspension from the league, sorry but that raises some pretty significant red flags to me.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 10:58 AM   #52
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
I think you're taking this to an extreme just a bit here. I think most of us are willing to look past some character issues, but when it comes to guys like Thurman who have quite the checkered legal history and is coming off a 2 year suspension from the league, sorry but that raises some pretty significant red flags to me.
I don't think he's taking it to an extreme, actually I felt he was replying to those in this thread that did just that.

Some comments in this thread, e.g. Dirtbag's (whose posts I usually like btw), went further than saying simply that signing Thurman was not a good idea, and actually said that people on this board would just sign other teams cuts & free agents to field a starting team. That was extreme IMO.

I didn't take DGreene's post as so much of an opinion on Thurman himself, rather he's just stating that any player can be evaluated by the front office regardless of their past, yet some on here are taking a "holier than thou" stance on character & criticizing those who don't. Which is again, another "extreme" which he is alluding to.
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 11:06 AM   #53
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,440
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Is it too extreme to say that someone with Thurman's legal past isn't worth looking at?? I'm not understanding why that's a 'holier than thou' attitude.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 01:23 PM   #54
The Starter
 
T.O.Killa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Berlin, MD
Posts: 2,028
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

I think every is entitled to their opinion. He has been nothing, but a problem.
T.O.Killa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 01:25 PM   #55
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72 View Post
Is it too extreme to say that someone with Thurman's legal past isn't worth looking at?? I'm not understanding why that's a 'holier than thou' attitude.
No, but I don't think that's the point.

See this post (#46 this thread) from Dirtbag (no intention of picking on him, I'm just saying I think it was this post or this kind of post that DGreene was referring to):

"If it was up to the people on the forums the Redskins would be made up of former starters from other teams, all with vet min + incentives contracts."
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 02:04 PM   #56
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,440
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddyg12 View Post
No, but I don't think that's the point.

See this post (#46 this thread) from Dirtbag (no intention of picking on him, I'm just saying I think it was this post or this kind of post that DGreene was referring to):

"If it was up to the people on the forums the Redskins would be made up of former starters from other teams, all with vet min + incentives contracts."
I don't think he meant that literally, but it does hold some truth when you think about it. I'm sure some people would been in favor or signing the likes of Tank Johnson, Chris Henry, Pacman Jones, and now Thurman.

Some people are big on character, some not so much. It all depends on what you value.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 02:23 PM   #57
Living Legend
 
GTripp0012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Evanston, IL
Age: 26
Posts: 15,993
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Odell would only make sense if he was going to succeed Washington or Fletcher here.

As far as a depth veteran goes, we can do so much better, and get a guy with better character.
__________________
according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
GTripp0012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 02:26 PM   #58
Most Interesting Man in the World
 
hooskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Age: 27
Posts: 8,606
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Most people do not pick up on dirtbag's sarcasm.
__________________
Vacancy
hooskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:07 PM   #59
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 34
Posts: 8,279
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DGreene28 View Post
On the flip side... every time I see a player available who I think could help the team I log onto this site and can't believe all the holier then thou posters who say a guy is a douche for getting a DUI or possession of Marijuana. None of you will ever have to work with the guy or even talk to him, if the FO decides that he's worth bringing in for a look at camp then they should.

If our country feels our president does not have to live up to your extreme "character" standards then acknowledge that you are in the minority Take a chill pill ... we're talking 'bout football.

Realize that you are not the only one with an educated football opinion on this board, and because you believe a certain way about this "character" conversation does not make you right. IMO the ones on this site who would make good FO people are the ones who look at these situations on a case by case basis, not making blanket decisions on personnel based on whether a player has a criminal record.
The decision to pass him over because of "character" issues has nothing to do with our emotional opinion of his past. His record may be despicable and I may abhor guys like that, but that has no bearing on the decision.

His past shows that:

- The likelihood that he'll be cut or suspended in the future is higher than normal. If he's not available, he can't help us. A guy with elevated probability of suspension is no different than a guy with elevated probability of injury. All it takes is for him to violate the substance abuse policy one more time and the guy is gone from the league for good.

- Two years out of football will raise flags about anyone's ability to compete. Don't forget, the NFL contains world class athletes. I find it hard to believe that any player, as gifted as he may be, can just take two years off and come right back in prepared to pick up where he left off from an athletic perspective.

- Not only was he out of football for two years, but we're talking about bringing him into an entirely different defensive system. The Marvin Lewis system is far different than the Williams/Blache model we have here now. That's an awful lot of change at one time: guy comes back to football after two year hiatus, AND has to learn a new system, AND has to fit in with new teammates.

Plus as others mentioned, the Bengals wouldn't cut him if they felt he could make an impact for them.

Our opinions on character, and how we feel about his past, should have nothing to do with the decision. You objectively look at the player and his situation. In most cases, when you analyze questionable players objectively, even when you separate out your feelings, the risk is still rarely worth the reward.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:46 PM   #60
Swearinger
 
GMScud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Age: 35
Posts: 12,623
Re: Odell Thurman Cut:

I can't believe this thread has 60 posts. The guy is a scumbag druggie who can't pass drug tests despite millions of dollars and gridiron glory riding on it.

Even if he wasn't a HUGE character risk, he plays MLB. Fletcher will be great for another year or two, and HB Blades is waiting in the wings to follow in his footsteps, and is a big special teams contributor in the meantime. There's no room for Thurman on this team.

This is silly.
__________________
Insert witty signature here
GMScud is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.35479 seconds with 10 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25