Colt Brennan

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-20-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i think i just said all q.b's taken in the 6th round are hall of famers? Brennen will have his hands full just trying to make the team. sorry sheriff

My only points were: (1) that it is unlikely that Brennan will turn out to be some stud; and (2) I never said Brennan absolutely cannot become a good QB, so I don't know how my logic was flawed. I also realize that you do not think much of Brennan, but I cringe when I hear references to Brady being drafted in the 6th round.

redsk1 · 05-20-2008, 11:08 AM

It's always interesting to see how a QB makes the transition to the NFL after tearing it up in college. It's the Heisman trophy thing. Just b/c you might be the best player in college doesn't mean your game will continue to be the same in the pros. I think that's why you get so much disagreement.

In CB's case, he's a passer and not just an athelete who happens to play QB. It wll be interesting to see. Let's be realistic though, right now he's just trying to make the team. He's not going to play this year or next unless we have some serious injuires.

freddyg12 · 05-20-2008, 11:37 AM

Colt is a good athlete & throws the ball well, but that can be said of most of the qb's that go to nfl camps. He'll have to show some composure in the preseason after his last 2 outings as a college qb (v. Georgia & the senior bowl). It may not have been his fault but in that georgia game, you couldn't tell much about his game.

I don't think the coaches will be quick to cut him unless Hollenbach or someone else really emerges as decent prospect to be future #2. I see him at least making the practice squad.

He needs 2 solid years as a clip board holder. I think it will come down to his work ethic & patience. I believe he's talented enough to play in the nfl, he's just going to take a while to develop. He's light years behind JC at this point.

skinsfan69 · 05-20-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

To be fair, he was being talked about as a third round pick not so long ago. He had two bad games which dropped his stock - one in which he was severely over matched, the other in which he was injured - but he has quite a pedigree as far as sixth round picks go. He is the all-time NCAA TD leader, which is no small accomplishment.

So was Timmy Chang,Ty Detmer, Andre Ware and David Klingler. In the system and conference he plays in stats are so out of whack. The defenses in the WAC conference are just not on the same level as the SEC. If he were playing against top teams his stats wouldn't be so crazy. He plays agaisnt teams like Nevada most of the time. You still have to be a good college player but the all time TD record doesn't tell the whole story.

freddyg12 · 05-20-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So was Timmy Chang,Ty Detmer, Andre Ware and David Klingler. In the system and conference he plays in stats are so out of whack. The defenses in the WAC conference are just not on the same level as the SEC. If he were playing against top teams his stats wouldn't be so crazy. He plays agaisnt teams like Nevada most of the time. You still have to be a good college player but the all time TD record doesn't tell the whole story.

well put & good references. I haven't heard Chang mentioned in...don't know how long!

I think it's awfully hard for scouts to evaluate speed in reading defenses & delivering the ball at that level of competition. some guys can look awfully quick because their whole team is much better than the competition.

I'll at least say that Colt seemed tough in that georgia game cause they put him on his back a no. of times.

GMScud · 05-20-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

My only points were: (1) that it is unlikely that Brennan will turn out to be some stud; and (2) I never said Brennan absolutely cannot become a good QB, so I don't know how my logic was flawed. I also realize that you do not think much of Brennan, but I cringe when I hear references to Brady being drafted in the 6th round.

Agreed. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, and Ron Dayne all put up gigantic numbers in college and none have done anything significant as pros. And Tom Brady is a once-in-league-history story. To think that'll happen again is dreaming.

JoeRedskin · 05-20-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, and Ron Dayne all put up gigantic numbers in college and none have done anything significant as pros. And Tom Brady is a once-in-league-history story. To think that'll happen again is dreaming.

I would say Brady is rare but not "once in a league history" thing - Unitas was the original Brady.

GMScud · 05-20-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I would say Brady is rare but not "once in a league history" thing - Unitas was the original Brady.

Brady was a 6th round pick who only got a shot because of a fluke injury to Drew Bledsoe, and has gone on to win 3 super bowls and put up ridiculous offensive numbers, has made multiple pro-bowls, and has a good chance of going down as the best QB in league history before it's all said and done. I'd say that's pretty darn close to a once in a lifetime kind of situation.

GoSkins! · 05-20-2008, 02:08 PM

The good news for Brennen is that there is an open spot at #3 quarterback. He has every shot at making the team. Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick and it took him 4 years as a backup before he was ready to start. Tony Romo was undrafted. Hasselbeck is probably a more realistic comparisson than "Brady was a 6th round pick". Brady is the "once in a generation" exception. I would think that the Hasselbeck senario is what Zorn and co. are hoping for.... and there have been plenty of good QB's to come out of the late rounds or undrafted (at least for the NFC).

For comparison sake...
2007 Pro Bowl QB's (NFC)
Drew Brees - NFL Draft: 2001 / Round: 2 / Pick: 32
Mark Bulger - NFL Draft: 2000 / Round: 6 / Pick: 168
Tony Romo - Undrafted in 2003

2008 Pro Bowl QB's (NFC)
Brett Farve - NFL Draft: 1991 / Round: 2 / Pick: 33
Tony Romo - Undrafted in 2003
Matt Hasselbeck - NFL Draft: 1998 / Round: 6 / Pick: 184
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted in 1994

Defensewins · 05-20-2008, 02:17 PM

Colt and Andre Ware is a great comparison right now. An unproven small school QB that played in the pass happy run & shoot offense. His passing numbers (records) in college are inflated because they threw the ball a lot and they played against weak teams.

Hey I welcome Colt to the Redskins and hope he becomes great. But it is definitely a wait and see situation. Last season Carson Palmer's brother was also brought with good potential and he is....?

Slingin Sammy 33 · 05-20-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

well put & good references. I haven't heard Chang mentioned in...don't know how long!

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post445453 (Colt Brennan profile)

JoeRedskin · 05-20-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Brady was a 6th round pick who only got a shot because of a fluke injury to Drew Bledsoe, and has gone on to win 3 super bowls and put up ridiculous offensive numbers, has made multiple pro-bowls, and has a good chance of going down as the best QB in league history before it's all said and done. I'd say that's pretty darn close to a once in a lifetime kind of situation.

I'll give you "once in a lifetime" or "once in a generation". You originally, however, said "once in league history". But, like I said, Unitas had similar travails and is considered one of the greatest, if not THE greatest ever. My point is simply that Brady's story has happened before and, in all likliehood, will happen again at some point (albeit around 2030ish).

70Chip · 05-20-2008, 02:40 PM

Watching Colt Brennan against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was embarrasing. From memory he had 3 ints and 8 sacks. He also looked slow and confused. I realize his team was overmatched but he really wasn't much help either. The BCS needs to do more to weed out these phony teams and their phony undefeated records. Georgia should have been playing for a National Title and instead they get a J.V. High School team.

30gut · 05-20-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

What I find intriguing is the selection of Colt Brennan and it is felt by some that he is the hands down better fit, with some strength and conditioning improvements, for Zorn's offense than is Jason Campbell. He has a lightning quick release, excellent footwork, and is super accurate. (He is actually even more accurate moving out of the pocket while moving) While he may not be able to throw 70 yards or even have half of the athletic ability Campbell has...he is a feisty competitor and super confident (borderline cocky)...needed attributes of an NFL QB. The offense will be quick hitting, hard to figure out, and most definitely will not be an offense to sit on a lead. Zorn's offense is built to simply score touchdowns, not field goals on every possession regardless of field position. I hope Jason is the starter for many years to come, however, I have gut feeling that Colt Brennan will be the Redskins starter in a few years and will seriously push Jason Campbell either into being a better QB or out of the starting job. What do yall think.

C'mon man, really?-Already? You're joking right?
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Right now at best Colt Brennan is the backup's backup.
Maybe with improvement in 2-3 years Colt can be the outright backup.

skinsfan69 · 05-20-2008, 04:47 PM

Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.

05-20-2008, 11:08 AM	#17
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Colt Brennan It's always interesting to see how a QB makes the transition to the NFL after tearing it up in college. It's the Heisman trophy thing. Just b/c you might be the best player in college doesn't mean your game will continue to be the same in the pros. I think that's why you get so much disagreement. In CB's case, he's a passer and not just an athelete who happens to play QB. It wll be interesting to see. Let's be realistic though, right now he's just trying to make the team. He's not going to play this year or next unless we have some serious injuires.

05-20-2008, 11:37 AM	#18
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Colt Brennan Colt is a good athlete & throws the ball well, but that can be said of most of the qb's that go to nfl camps. He'll have to show some composure in the preseason after his last 2 outings as a college qb (v. Georgia & the senior bowl). It may not have been his fault but in that georgia game, you couldn't tell much about his game. I don't think the coaches will be quick to cut him unless Hollenbach or someone else really emerges as decent prospect to be future #2. I see him at least making the practice squad. He needs 2 solid years as a clip board holder. I think it will come down to his work ethic & patience. I believe he's talented enough to play in the nfl, he's just going to take a while to develop. He's light years behind JC at this point.

05-20-2008, 02:08 PM	#24
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 43 Posts: 1,576	Re: Colt Brennan The good news for Brennen is that there is an open spot at #3 quarterback. He has every shot at making the team. Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick and it took him 4 years as a backup before he was ready to start. Tony Romo was undrafted. Hasselbeck is probably a more realistic comparisson than "Brady was a 6th round pick". Brady is the "once in a generation" exception. I would think that the Hasselbeck senario is what Zorn and co. are hoping for.... and there have been plenty of good QB's to come out of the late rounds or undrafted (at least for the NFC). For comparison sake... 2007 Pro Bowl QB's (NFC) Drew Brees - NFL Draft: 2001 / Round: 2 / Pick: 32 Mark Bulger - NFL Draft: 2000 / Round: 6 / Pick: 168 Tony Romo - Undrafted in 2003 2008 Pro Bowl QB's (NFC) Brett Farve - NFL Draft: 1991 / Round: 2 / Pick: 33 Tony Romo - Undrafted in 2003 Matt Hasselbeck - NFL Draft: 1998 / Round: 6 / Pick: 184 Jeff Garcia - Undrafted in 1994 __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

05-20-2008, 02:17 PM	#25
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Colt Brennan Colt and Andre Ware is a great comparison right now. An unproven small school QB that played in the pass happy run & shoot offense. His passing numbers (records) in college are inflated because they threw the ball a lot and they played against weak teams. Hey I welcome Colt to the Redskins and hope he becomes great. But it is definitely a wait and see situation. Last season Carson Palmer's brother was also brought with good potential and he is....?

05-20-2008, 02:40 PM	#28
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 42 Posts: 3,048	Re: Colt Brennan Watching Colt Brennan against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was embarrasing. From memory he had 3 ints and 8 sacks. He also looked slow and confused. I realize his team was overmatched but he really wasn't much help either. The BCS needs to do more to weed out these phony teams and their phony undefeated records. Georgia should have been playing for a National Title and instead they get a J.V. High School team. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

05-20-2008, 04:47 PM	#30
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,104	Re: Colt Brennan Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.

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