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Old 05-20-2008, 03:48 PM   #31
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What I find intriguing is the selection of Colt Brennan and it is felt by some that he is the hands down better fit, with some strength and conditioning improvements, for Zorn's offense than is Jason Campbell. He has a lightning quick release, excellent footwork, and is super accurate. (He is actually even more accurate moving out of the pocket while moving) While he may not be able to throw 70 yards or even have half of the athletic ability Campbell has...he is a feisty competitor and super confident (borderline cocky)...needed attributes of an NFL QB. The offense will be quick hitting, hard to figure out, and most definitely will not be an offense to sit on a lead. Zorn's offense is built to simply score touchdowns, not field goals on every possession regardless of field position. I hope Jason is the starter for many years to come, however, I have gut feeling that Colt Brennan will be the Redskins starter in a few years and will seriously push Jason Campbell either into being a better QB or out of the starting job. What do yall think.
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Right now at best Colt Brennan is the backup's backup.
Maybe with improvement in 2-3 years Colt can be the outright backup.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:47 PM   #32
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Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:59 PM   #33
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Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.
Warren Moon, Houston Oilers. Hall of Famer. Houston ran the "run and shoot" with Jack Pardee as head coach and June Jones was the QB coach.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:26 PM   #34
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You are correct, comparing him to a "Montana" in any shape or form is ludicrous.

Facts are facts and nothing can change them. And the fact is Brennan was a very good player in a very bad conference. Say what you will about his accomplishments at Hawaii, but the reality is that Colt Brennan excelled in a conference that is more like a "farm league" for division 1. He was a "big fish in a small pond". But now he is being thrown into the deep end and he is just another fish. Unless it is an offensive lineman, the WAC (aka Weak-Ass-Conference) is known historically for producing standout players at that level, but once they get to the pro's, they struggle tremendously. See Timmy Chang. The proof is in the pudding, Brennan and Hawaii were undefeated until they played a REAL division 1 team, Georgia, in the Sugar Bowl and the Bulldogs EMBARASSED the Rainbow Warriors 41-10.

The biggest fact is the type of offense that June Jones ran at Hawaii, the "run and shoot", where traditionally you could put almost any old QB in the pocket and he will put up impressive numbers. But the run and shoot has not been used in the NFL since the Houston Oilers of the 90's. For this fact, Brennan is a project type player. He will have to re-learn the game from a new perspective against the best players in the world. He has a long road to travel. I seriously doubt that Brennan even makes through training camp, and I predict that he will be cut before the regular season.

Jason Campbell is the best option that give the Redskins the best opportunity to win. I don't think Brennan will even present a viable challenge to Campbell.

Nothing against Brennan, but I look at the school, conference and offense he came from, and none of them compare to anything he will see at the pro level.

I was shocked to see the 'Skins take him in the 6th round. I would have bet that he would have gone undrafted and you could have signed him as a UDFA and saved some money.
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The biggest fact is the type of offense that June Jones ran at Hawaii, the "run and shoot", where traditionally you could put almost any old QB in the pocket and he will put up impressive numbers
How ironic, he will be running a system in the NFL that has had very similar results.

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I seriously doubt that Brennan even makes through training camp, and I predict that he will be cut before the regular season.
I will take a piece of that action any day of the week, you should pay attention we have no 3rd string QB, Zorn is committed to him for at the very least this season, if you think this kid isn't going to at the very least be a great practice QB your sadly mistaken.

Some of the greatest players in the history of the NFL came out of small schools, Payton, Rice etc.

Wasn't Romo undrafted?

Do you think Brennan would have won a national champ. if he QB LSU this past season? It would be tough to say no?
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:21 PM   #35
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According to scout.com:

Rookie most likely to: Be a steal in five years...Colt Brennan


They presented their "rookie most likely to" list and Colt was listed as a steal by the skins (if u scroll over using the graphic arrows a few times over). Here is what they had to say:

A lot of pundits think that Brennan will be nothing more than an Arena League quarterback because he doesnít have the ideal size, throwing motion or overall quickness that translate to the NFL. But the one thing about Brennan is that anytime someone questions his ability, he always bounces back and proves all of his doubters wrong. ]

In the last ten years, there have been four quarterbacks selected in the sixth round that have gone on to be Pro Bowl players: Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady and Derek Anderson. Iím not going to compare Brennan with any of the quarterbacks mentioned, but his resiliency is uncanny, and nothing seems to faze him.

Brennan is in the perfect situation with the Redskins to show heís capable of being an efficient NFL quarterback. New Head Coach Jim Zorn brings his West Coast offense to Washington, and Brennan is the perfect QB to develop in this offense. Although he worked out of the shotgun at Hawaii, Brennan has experience in the West Coast system going back to his high school days. Brennanís quick release, accuracy and ability to run the offense will be enough to push Jason Campbell for the starting job in two years.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:29 PM   #36
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Warren Moon, Houston Oilers. Hall of Famer. Houston ran the "run and shoot" with Jack Pardee as head coach and June Jones was the QB coach.
I meant someone who played in this type of system in college.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:45 PM   #37
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Where did Spurier go? His system is in effect a "Run and Shoot" offense. No matter what fancy names he wants to call it.
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Watching Colt Brennan against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was embarrasing. From memory he had 3 ints and 8 sacks. He also looked slow and confused. I realize his team was overmatched but he really wasn't much help either. The BCS needs to do more to weed out these phony teams and their phony undefeated records. Georgia should have been playing for a National Title and instead they get a J.V. High School team.
"Phony teams" ?? "Phony undefeated records" ??

I disagree. Was Boise State's undefeated record "phony" when they beat Oklahoma two years ago? Aside from them and Hawaii last year, how many undefeated "phony" teams are there? Colt Brennan and his #1 WR Davone Bess were both viewed as solid NFL prospects, Brennan put up massive numbers his entire career, and their team is coached by June Jones who was a long time successful assistant in the NFL. Not to mention the undefeated WAC team from the year prior (Boise St) gave us one of the best BCS games ever when they beat Oklahoma with the statue of liberty.

So can you really blame them for giving Hawaii their shot? Georgia was a legitimate contender from the best conference last year, and simply had too much speed on both sides of the ball. Was it Brennan's fault that his offensive line looked like deer in headlights in the face of Georgia's pass rush? That game wasn't any worse than Florida's 41-14 smackdown of 13-0 (and heavily favored) Ohio St in the national championship the year before. Was Ohio St "phony?" On any given Sunday. Or Saturday in this case. You just never know.

By the way, for those who diss the WAC, they don't get an automatic BCS bid, and keep in mind Boise St, Fresno St, and Hawaii are solid programs year in and year out.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:57 PM   #39
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Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:06 PM   #40
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Hey, I'm sometimes a glass half full kinda guy. Colt will have to prove it to me before I list him as the next Bret Farve. I agree some of the best come out of small schools and agree they usually were late round picks. However you need to also take into consideration he's not the tallest QB or solidly built like some. Some are worried that if he takes one good hit from a lineman he's going down. Who knows. but you don't come into the NFL as being the best QB. Let him earn it.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:44 PM   #41
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This doesn't bode well for Brennan....remember the last #5 we had....I'm just sayin'

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Old 05-21-2008, 08:04 PM   #42
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Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.
Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.
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Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.
You must be a professional scout. Seems you have based your opinion on one game? How about we base our opinion of the Redskins entire team based on one game last year. The Patriots game. I wouldn't want any of those guys on my team. They all looked horrible.

If a quarterback plays in a game in which his offensive line is completely outmatched he is going to get killed 9 times out of 10. I really wouldn't put much stock into that Sugar Bowl. What kind of performance do you think Brennan could have had against Georgia had he let's say been under center behind Matt Ryan's BC line?
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Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.
So by that logic, players that played in division 2, or lower aren't worth a spot cause they don't play the cream of the crop? I don't remember what Mississippi Valley St was, but I am fairly certain it wasn't Division 1, and Jerry Rice turned out to be quite a player.
I'm not saying Colt is the next Jerry Rice (for obvious reasons), but I am saying there can be some serious talent outside of the usual places.
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cooley wasn't a big school player (1260yrds receiving as a fullback (that never blocked)).

as far as successful QBs coming out of shotgun only offenses... ben roth up in pit only won a superbowl. is that example good enough?
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