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Old 05-20-2008, 04:59 PM   #31
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Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.
Warren Moon, Houston Oilers. Hall of Famer. Houston ran the "run and shoot" with Jack Pardee as head coach and June Jones was the QB coach.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:21 PM   #32
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According to scout.com:

Rookie most likely to: Be a steal in five years...Colt Brennan


They presented their "rookie most likely to" list and Colt was listed as a steal by the skins (if u scroll over using the graphic arrows a few times over). Here is what they had to say:

A lot of pundits think that Brennan will be nothing more than an Arena League quarterback because he doesnít have the ideal size, throwing motion or overall quickness that translate to the NFL. But the one thing about Brennan is that anytime someone questions his ability, he always bounces back and proves all of his doubters wrong. ]

In the last ten years, there have been four quarterbacks selected in the sixth round that have gone on to be Pro Bowl players: Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady and Derek Anderson. Iím not going to compare Brennan with any of the quarterbacks mentioned, but his resiliency is uncanny, and nothing seems to faze him.

Brennan is in the perfect situation with the Redskins to show heís capable of being an efficient NFL quarterback. New Head Coach Jim Zorn brings his West Coast offense to Washington, and Brennan is the perfect QB to develop in this offense. Although he worked out of the shotgun at Hawaii, Brennan has experience in the West Coast system going back to his high school days. Brennanís quick release, accuracy and ability to run the offense will be enough to push Jason Campbell for the starting job in two years.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:29 PM   #33
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Warren Moon, Houston Oilers. Hall of Famer. Houston ran the "run and shoot" with Jack Pardee as head coach and June Jones was the QB coach.
I meant someone who played in this type of system in college.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:45 PM   #34
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Where did Spurier go? His system is in effect a "Run and Shoot" offense. No matter what fancy names he wants to call it.
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Watching Colt Brennan against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was embarrasing. From memory he had 3 ints and 8 sacks. He also looked slow and confused. I realize his team was overmatched but he really wasn't much help either. The BCS needs to do more to weed out these phony teams and their phony undefeated records. Georgia should have been playing for a National Title and instead they get a J.V. High School team.
"Phony teams" ?? "Phony undefeated records" ??

I disagree. Was Boise State's undefeated record "phony" when they beat Oklahoma two years ago? Aside from them and Hawaii last year, how many undefeated "phony" teams are there? Colt Brennan and his #1 WR Davone Bess were both viewed as solid NFL prospects, Brennan put up massive numbers his entire career, and their team is coached by June Jones who was a long time successful assistant in the NFL. Not to mention the undefeated WAC team from the year prior (Boise St) gave us one of the best BCS games ever when they beat Oklahoma with the statue of liberty.

So can you really blame them for giving Hawaii their shot? Georgia was a legitimate contender from the best conference last year, and simply had too much speed on both sides of the ball. Was it Brennan's fault that his offensive line looked like deer in headlights in the face of Georgia's pass rush? That game wasn't any worse than Florida's 41-14 smackdown of 13-0 (and heavily favored) Ohio St in the national championship the year before. Was Ohio St "phony?" On any given Sunday. Or Saturday in this case. You just never know.

By the way, for those who diss the WAC, they don't get an automatic BCS bid, and keep in mind Boise St, Fresno St, and Hawaii are solid programs year in and year out.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:57 PM   #36
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Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:06 PM   #37
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Hey, I'm sometimes a glass half full kinda guy. Colt will have to prove it to me before I list him as the next Bret Farve. I agree some of the best come out of small schools and agree they usually were late round picks. However you need to also take into consideration he's not the tallest QB or solidly built like some. Some are worried that if he takes one good hit from a lineman he's going down. Who knows. but you don't come into the NFL as being the best QB. Let him earn it.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:44 PM   #38
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This doesn't bode well for Brennan....remember the last #5 we had....I'm just sayin'

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Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.
Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.
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Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.
So by that logic, players that played in division 2, or lower aren't worth a spot cause they don't play the cream of the crop? I don't remember what Mississippi Valley St was, but I am fairly certain it wasn't Division 1, and Jerry Rice turned out to be quite a player.
I'm not saying Colt is the next Jerry Rice (for obvious reasons), but I am saying there can be some serious talent outside of the usual places.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:01 PM   #41
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cooley wasn't a big school player (1260yrds receiving as a fullback (that never blocked)).

as far as successful QBs coming out of shotgun only offenses... ben roth up in pit only won a superbowl. is that example good enough?
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I don't follow college football enough to know which programs run the run and shoot, or primarily shotgun offenses, I live and breathe Pro Football and I understand it's more about how they absorb their coaching once they make it. Look at Ryan Leaf...he came from a great school, and he decided he was the man, and didn't listen to anyone. It's all about how willing they are to succeed. It's hard work...and to me, Colt seems willing to put in that work...but you never know.
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Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.
Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)
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Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)
Exactly...and if he doesn't work out...so what? It only cost us a 6th rounder. No big deal.
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Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)
There's one big name you guys are forgetting. Drew Brees. Also, don't forget Ben Roethlisberger. Miami (OH) was a spread offense when he played there.

Also a handful of others with a track record of success or at least potential. Culpepper at UCF. Leftwich at Marshall. Kolb at Houston last year, is a guy that most scouts thought had 2nd round skill, and did go in the second round. Flacco played out of the Shotgun primarily at Delaware.
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