Colt Brennan

jsarno · 05-21-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

Exactly...and if he doesn't work out...so what? It only cost us a 6th rounder. No big deal.

GTripp0012 · 05-21-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

There's one big name you guys are forgetting. Drew Brees. Also, don't forget Ben Roethlisberger. Miami (OH) was a spread offense when he played there.

Also a handful of others with a track record of success or at least potential. Culpepper at UCF. Leftwich at Marshall. Kolb at Houston last year, is a guy that most scouts thought had 2nd round skill, and did go in the second round. Flacco played out of the Shotgun primarily at Delaware.

skinsfan69 · 05-21-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.

June Jones coaches the run and shoot offense which has 4-5 wr's on the field at all times and is a pass first offense. The knock on it is the QB is never ever under center. Jack Pardee also ran it when he coached at Houston in college. Andre Ware and David Klingler would put up huge huge passing stats. I think I remember these guys throwing for 600-700 yards in some games. However not one of them ever made it in the pro game. No Qb's that play in the system ever seem to make the transition to the pro game.

The spread is what Alex Smith and Vince Young ran at college and it's run by West Virginia and Florida. The field is spread out by formation but you could have a fullback and a TE on he field most of the time. And you run the option from the shotgun. It's a run first offense.

GTripp0012 · 05-21-2008, 10:39 PM

My point about the run and shoot is that it's an incredibly rare offense, and just because two guys who played in it at the same school couldn't translate it doesn't mean no one can. Quarterbacks given adequate experience translate just fine out of the spread.

T.O.Killa · 05-21-2008, 10:47 PM

I listened to the kid on Redskins radio and liked what he had to say. I like the kid. I think he will do well.

Angry · 05-22-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ptracy20

Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.

Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.

GMScud · 05-22-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

cooley wasn't a big school player (1260yrds receiving as a fullback (that never blocked)).

as far as successful QBs coming out of shotgun only offenses... ben roth up in pit only won a superbowl. is that example good enough?

Yeah, the "shotgun" argument isn't really valid. College offenses use the shotgun a lot more than in the pros, so it's very very common for QB's to have to adjust.

Buster · 05-22-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This doesn't bode well for Brennan....remember the last #5 we had....I'm just sayin'

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At least now anyone with a Shuler jersey rotting in their attic can get the name replaced and hope it's a jersey they can actually be seen in.

There won't be any shame as long as he's still on the bench...when he hits the field, that's when the embarrassment of being seen with his number on could begin.

snoopy · 05-22-2008, 11:48 AM

this kid will be a massive steal when the redskins release him in a few yrs time sine JC will become a pro bowl QB under zorn brennan will develop alot and we will either trade or release him in say 3 years time

Buster · 05-22-2008, 12:21 PM

But who would want him if he's never taken a snap?

Sure he could be a quality backup in the right system, but having no experience will not make him valuable enough to be a "steal" for us.

Sheppdog · 05-25-2008, 06:46 PM

First off, I am a Campbell fan and think he will excell in this new offence but I do like the CB pick.. Seriously whats not to like about this guy, the doubters about his arm are just wrong. Look at his highlights. The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity, Joe was criticized about his arm and came in to the west coast offence sat for 2 years and u know the rest. Im not saying we have the second comming here but hey we drafted the NCAAs all time leader in touchdowns with a 6th round pick. With that being said I reserve all judgement of him as should everyone until we see him in the preseason.

30gut · 05-26-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheppdog

The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity

WHAT? C'mon man. Don't compare CB to Joe.
Don't.

Cowell · 05-26-2008, 07:53 PM

Quite honestly, I can't imagine Colt Brennan starting here, or anywhere else in this league. The offense he ran in college was like a backyard football game, and I think a big reason he put up such great numbers was because of the teams they played. The Sugar Bowl is a great showcase of what Hawaii did against real competition. Even when Brennan didn't have a defender in his face he was still making poor decisions.
I can assure you though, if Campbell isn't the answer, neither is Brennan.

Dirtbag359 · 05-26-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry

Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.

I agree, and no I'm not a Georgia fan (or a Tech fan for that matter), far from it actually but if you watched the game Brennen had almost no time to throw. I will admit Brennen made some bad plays when he didn't have pressure, but for the most part there was a Georgia defender in his face almost everytime he dropped back to pass, and despite that he was able to get the ball off. Of course in the end he was sacked 8 times, and personally a lot of those sacks looked like he was reached in less then 3 seconds, not necessarily sacked, but close enough to prevent him from setting his feet. If you don't believe me then see for yourself.

Also, far be it for Synder to pass up a money making opportunity, even if it is a relatively small one.

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rypper11 · 05-27-2008, 09:54 AM

Best case scenario for Colt:

Makes team as #3 this year. After 2 more seasons Collins retires and he becomes #2 and re-signs a 4 yr contract. Two more years of spot duty and sensational preseason games he is his generations Rob Johnson. Skins let him go for a #2 pick and he takes over another team after Zorn, Collins, and other veterans and coaches have gotten him as ready as possible.

Sounds good to me.

05-21-2008, 10:39 PM	#49 (permalink)
GTripp0012 Jason Campbell: Franchise QB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,447	Re: Colt Brennan My point about the run and shoot is that it's an incredibly rare offense, and just because two guys who played in it at the same school couldn't translate it doesn't mean no one can. Quarterbacks given adequate experience translate just fine out of the spread. __________________ "It's mind-boggling to me, really. Look at the tape. Look at my impact on the game. The guys who make it are good players, and I'm not saying I'm better than all of them. But I wish people would watch the games, watch the tape." - London Fletcher on his pro bowl candidacy.

05-21-2008, 10:47 PM	#50 (permalink)
T.O.Killa Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 538	Re: Colt Brennan I listened to the kid on Redskins radio and liked what he had to say. I like the kid. I think he will do well.

05-22-2008, 11:48 AM	#54 (permalink)
snoopy Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Colt Brennan this kid will be a massive steal when the redskins release him in a few yrs time sine JC will become a pro bowl QB under zorn brennan will develop alot and we will either trade or release him in say 3 years time

05-22-2008, 12:21 PM	#55 (permalink)
Buster Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 4,194	Re: Colt Brennan But who would want him if he's never taken a snap? Sure he could be a quality backup in the right system, but having no experience will not make him valuable enough to be a "steal" for us.

05-25-2008, 06:46 PM	#56 (permalink)
Sheppdog Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8	Re: Colt Brennan First off, I am a Campbell fan and think he will excell in this new offence but I do like the CB pick.. Seriously whats not to like about this guy, the doubters about his arm are just wrong. Look at his highlights. The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity, Joe was criticized about his arm and came in to the west coast offence sat for 2 years and u know the rest. Im not saying we have the second comming here but hey we drafted the NCAAs all time leader in touchdowns with a 6th round pick. With that being said I reserve all judgement of him as should everyone until we see him in the preseason.

05-26-2008, 07:53 PM	#58 (permalink)
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: Colt Brennan Quite honestly, I can't imagine Colt Brennan starting here, or anywhere else in this league. The offense he ran in college was like a backyard football game, and I think a big reason he put up such great numbers was because of the teams they played. The Sugar Bowl is a great showcase of what Hawaii did against real competition. Even when Brennan didn't have a defender in his face he was still making poor decisions. I can assure you though, if Campbell isn't the answer, neither is Brennan.

05-27-2008, 09:54 AM	#60 (permalink)
rypper11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 793	Re: Colt Brennan Best case scenario for Colt: Makes team as #3 this year. After 2 more seasons Collins retires and he becomes #2 and re-signs a 4 yr contract. Two more years of spot duty and sensational preseason games he is his generations Rob Johnson. Skins let him go for a #2 pick and he takes over another team after Zorn, Collins, and other veterans and coaches have gotten him as ready as possible. Sounds good to me. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

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