Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement

riggins44 · 05-20-2008, 06:04 PM

The real losers in this deal is the fans. Can you imagine spending a fall with no Redskins?
I lost interest in baseball years ago due to all the labor problems. True, the owners and players are all making some serious $$. Without us the fans they don't have an audience to market to.

Hopefully they can negotiate a new deal.

Defensewins · 05-20-2008, 07:00 PM

They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies.
I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

JankySpanky80 · 05-20-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies.
I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

I agree with you all the way. Did you guys see the absurd amount of money that Matt Ryan got. To make that much money and to not be proven. Its sick.

Defensewins · 05-20-2008, 07:07 PM

I think it makes the solid but modestly paid veterans sick to their stomachs. Where is the loyalty? The system makes the owners have to pay players based on potential and not on proven talent.

skinsfan69 · 05-20-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JankySpanky80

I agree with you all the way. Did you guys see the absurd amount of money that Matt Ryan got. To make that much money and to not be proven. Its sick.

Just heard it on the radio and nearly fell out of my chair. Insane.

SBXVII · 05-20-2008, 07:36 PM

WooooHooooo. Ooops did I write that out loud? Sorry. I remember how the teams worked prior to the agreement. I can say that, that's the only time I have been able to identify a "Corps Redskin" as the old ball coach used to say. Players didn't have to jump ship for better pay because the team they were on was to close to the CAP and couldn't give him what he wanted. I always viewed those players as traitors up and until recently when I realized it's not about whether they want to be a Redskin, It was about how much the Redskins were willing to pay the player.

I guess I trying to say I hope it is better then the system they have now. Allow teams to keep the players they need to keep.

I vote to drop the CAP. Start an incentive based pay system. Put a limit on what Rookies can earn and give them only 2-3yr contracts to show case their talent in the NFL then allow them to get the million dollar contracts.

Giantone · 05-20-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrJL

Get the replacement players ready.

I smell a sequel coming on,maybe this time they'll be allowed to film at FedEX instead of Ravens Stadium.

rypper11 · 05-20-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies.
I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

But what happens to guys like Thomas and Jansen last year? You got hurt playing so no money? Or a guy that wants to remain with a coaching staff or city he likes but he'll only catch 90 passes there. Team B throws every down so he'll get 120 receptions but have no shot at playoffs and not be involved in the community because he is only there for a check.
I completely agree with a rookie cap where players are slotted and each get a 2 or 3 year deal to prove themselves. If you eliminate the outrageous rookie contracts, then most everyone else in the NFL will be paid based on what they've done.

SBXVII · 05-20-2008, 08:15 PM

Now you have to go and screw up my League. LOL. Ok how about if someone gets hurt they only get the base salary. Which could be more then the $400,000. they have now. Hell I'm considered over the hill but I would take the $400,000 in a heart beat. Maybe if they didn't go and purchase million dollar homes and $100,000 dollar cars. I'm sure they could find a way to live off their measly $400,000.

Giantone · 05-20-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by riggins44

The real losers in this deal is the fans. Can you imagine spending a fall with no Redskins?
I lost interest in baseball years ago due to all the labor problems. True, the owners and players are all making some serious $$. Without us the fans they don't have an audience to market to.

Hopefully they can negotiate a new deal.

I agree with you 100% about the fans but at the earliest you have 3 seasons till it happens.

mooby · 05-20-2008, 08:53 PM

I think we'll be able to get a deal done in time before the lockout. The owners and the players will recognize the urgency of the situation before they are at the 11th hour and no deal is done. If no deal gets done and it does go to the 11th hour I do believe the owners will force the players to accept their hand, because in the end the players don't want to lose paychecks over this.

onlydarksets · 05-20-2008, 09:11 PM

It's ludicrous that Vick got to keep his bonus while he's sitting in jail. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

That Guy · 05-21-2008, 07:12 AM

no big deal. still a lot for time to work out a new deal, and in the end, no one wants to stop the gravy train, they just want to see how far they can push each other.

MrJL · 05-21-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

But what happens to guys like Thomas and Jansen last year? You got hurt playing so no money? Or a guy that wants to remain with a coaching staff or city he likes but he'll only catch 90 passes there. Team B throws every down so he'll get 120 receptions but have no shot at playoffs and not be involved in the community because he is only there for a check.
I completely agree with a rookie cap where players are slotted and each get a 2 or 3 year deal to prove themselves. If you eliminate the outrageous rookie contracts, then most everyone else in the NFL will be paid based on what they've done.

I think one of the things the league should do with a lower base pay, is that for rookies at least they should pay for an insurance policy for the player if he suffers a major injury.

Defensewins · 05-21-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

But what happens to guys like Thomas and Jansen last year? You got hurt playing so no money? Or a guy that wants to remain with a coaching staff or city he likes but he'll only catch 90 passes there. Team B throws every down so he'll get 120 receptions but have no shot at playoffs and not be involved in the community because he is only there for a check.
I completely agree with a rookie cap where players are slotted and each get a 2 or 3 year deal to prove themselves. If you eliminate the outrageous rookie contracts, then most everyone else in the NFL will be paid based on what they've done.

He would still get his guaranteed base pay. However you can throw in injury clause that can pay him based on his previous years performance, but not qual to or more than he would get if he played the entire season. He is not going to get the wear and tear of playing the season so he should not get big money.
Plus you can add injury incentives, like extra money for attending all of his rehab training sessions and following all of his doctors recommendations to get healthy. Incentive money for helping coach and prepare his replacement. He can get extra money for attending all of the games, cheering on his fellow teammates;staying in town during the rest of the season and working out. You see where am I going?

05-20-2008, 06:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
riggins44 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 148	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement The real losers in this deal is the fans. Can you imagine spending a fall with no Redskins? I lost interest in baseball years ago due to all the labor problems. True, the owners and players are all making some serious $$. Without us the fans they don't have an audience to market to. Hopefully they can negotiate a new deal.

05-20-2008, 07:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
Defensewins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,353	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies. I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

05-20-2008, 07:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
Defensewins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,353	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement I think it makes the solid but modestly paid veterans sick to their stomachs. Where is the loyalty? The system makes the owners have to pay players based on potential and not on proven talent.

05-20-2008, 07:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
SBXVII Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stafford, Va. Posts: 796	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement WooooHooooo. Ooops did I write that out loud? Sorry. I remember how the teams worked prior to the agreement. I can say that, that's the only time I have been able to identify a "Corps Redskin" as the old ball coach used to say. Players didn't have to jump ship for better pay because the team they were on was to close to the CAP and couldn't give him what he wanted. I always viewed those players as traitors up and until recently when I realized it's not about whether they want to be a Redskin, It was about how much the Redskins were willing to pay the player. I guess I trying to say I hope it is better then the system they have now. Allow teams to keep the players they need to keep. I vote to drop the CAP. Start an incentive based pay system. Put a limit on what Rookies can earn and give them only 2-3yr contracts to show case their talent in the NFL then allow them to get the million dollar contracts.

05-20-2008, 08:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
SBXVII Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stafford, Va. Posts: 796	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement Now you have to go and screw up my League. LOL. Ok how about if someone gets hurt they only get the base salary. Which could be more then the $400,000. they have now. Hell I'm considered over the hill but I would take the $400,000 in a heart beat. Maybe if they didn't go and purchase million dollar homes and $100,000 dollar cars. I'm sure they could find a way to live off their measly $400,000.

05-20-2008, 08:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
mooby Director of Zornography Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 4,129	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement I think we'll be able to get a deal done in time before the lockout. The owners and the players will recognize the urgency of the situation before they are at the 11th hour and no deal is done. If no deal gets done and it does go to the 11th hour I do believe the owners will force the players to accept their hand, because in the end the players don't want to lose paychecks over this.

05-20-2008, 09:11 PM	#27 (permalink)
onlydarksets Page 2 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,680	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement It's ludicrous that Vick got to keep his bonus while he's sitting in jail. It will be interesting to see what they come up with. __________________ Stop reading my signature.

05-21-2008, 07:12 AM	#28 (permalink)
That Guy Gleaming Turds since 2004 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 13,843	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement no big deal. still a lot for time to work out a new deal, and in the end, no one wants to stop the gravy train, they just want to see how far they can push each other. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

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