Time to extend Jason Campbell?

Mattyk72 · 05-27-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

I thought it was pretty obvious that the playcalling was more aggressive with Collins in the lineup and rightfully so. He knew the offense inside and out, while Campbell was in his 2nd season in it.

If it wasn't playcalling then what was it? Because the stats simply don't support your claim that JC couldn't move the ball.

SmootSmack · 05-27-2008, 01:30 PM

Jason Campbell certainly needs to continue to improve. Those late game interceptions he threw against Dallas and Tampa need to turn into touchdowns. Will he make mistakes again? Sure, every QB does. But they need to be few and far between.

Who knows if we would have made the playoffs had Campbell been the QB? Collins did a great job leading the team down the stretch. But then again, everyone stepped it up down the stretch.

I'm sure confidence in the QB played a part (why shouldn't it, Collins probably knows the Saunders offense better than Saunders himself), but so did inspired post-tragedy play, healthy players, players getting more accustomed to playing the system and playing with each other. See: Reche Caldwell getting key catches as he got more familiar with the offense and got some playing time; Fabini and Heyer getting comfortable playing together on the right side (and Wade being benched!). And not to mention that Joe Gibbs is one of the best December coaches ever, and almost always sets his teams up to finish strong.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 05-27-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

I can't believe your continued defense of a weak and wrong (as many have shown in this thread) argument. As SC Fan so eloquently put it, we're "casting pearls before swine".

I can't wait for the season, I'll definitely be referring back to this thread....weekly.

prinzeofmoval · 05-27-2008, 07:33 PM

Its only clear we don't have a great Qb. I liked Jason coming out of the draft but he has yet to show me something. We haven't had a quarterback since well like 15 years. lets go down the list of flunkies..Campbell can't close the door on a game if his hands were glued to it. Mark brunell was scared to throw it further then 6 yards and inside the hash marks. Patrick Ramsey what were we thinking? Trent Green was one of the ones who got away and we didn't really groom correctly he was the one who got away. Jeff George was passed his time. Oh yeah didn't an another idiot qb hurt his neck hitting a concrete wall? I rest my case. The times we have won is when we played some smashmouthed defense and run the ball down their throats. I don't see no big reason to sign this kid until he proves himself.

Mattyk72 · 05-27-2008, 08:44 PM

Anyone wanna take a guess as to who HOGTIMUS PRIME really is?

Check out some of his other posts, it's not too hard to figure out if you've been around here a while.

skinsfan_nn · 05-27-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Anyone wanna take a guess as to who HOGTIMUS PRIME really is?

Check out some of his other posts, it's not too hard to figure out if you've been around here a while.

Well let me take two shots....like at the carnival, you just can't stop at one. offiss or whatever it is OR irish! Sorry guys but hope I'm right and its at least one of you two.......LOL

Mattyk72 · 05-27-2008, 09:52 PM

damn that didn't take long

It's not Irish he has a legit account here.

irish · 05-28-2008, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I thought it was pretty obvious that the playcalling was more aggressive with Collins in the lineup and rightfully so. He knew the offense inside and out, while Campbell was in his 2nd season in it.

If it wasn't playcalling then what was it? Because the stats simply don't support your claim that JC couldn't move the ball.

I agree that the playcalling was more agressive but thats because TC could handle it while JC couldnt. JC has to improve his throwing technique and his decision making speed. Last year TC was light years faster so we'll have to see if JC can make any improvement. I really think this is a make or break year for JC. He has been in the league awhile now and this is not the coaching staff that gave up a bunch of picks to draft him, he has to perform or I really believe Zorn & Co will look for another QB.

BTW, I can state for the record that I am not and never have been hogtimus prime.

Mattyk72 · 05-28-2008, 04:23 PM

You have to wonder though... was the conservative nature of the play calling justified with Campbell in the lineup?

Because when the reins were loosened up a bit and he was allowed to sling it around in the no-huddle and call his own plays, he played very well.

I think Gibbs was perhaps a little too protective of him. I don't think we'll see the same from Zorn though.

GTripp0012 · 05-28-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You have to wonder though... was the conservative nature of the play calling justified with Campbell in the lineup?

Because when the reins were loosened up a bit and he was allowed to sling it around in the no-huddle and call his own plays, he played very well.

I think Gibbs was perhaps a little too protective of him. I don't think we'll see the same from Zorn though.

Officially though, I don't think it made a big difference.

He would have been just as successful if they opened it up, more INT's balanced out by higher YPA.

I think they were conservative due to the injuries more than anything. When you have injuries, you absolutely have to play it more conservative. The thought process was that if they could get a healthy team going into the playoffs, Campbell might be able to shine there.

As it was, he didn't make it that far. Thank you Jason Fabini.

irish · 05-29-2008, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Officially though, I don't think it made a big difference.

He would have been just as successful if they opened it up, more INT's balanced out by higher YPA.

I think they were conservative due to the injuries more than anything. When you have injuries, you absolutely have to play it more conservative. The thought process was that if they could get a healthy team going into the playoffs, Campbell might be able to shine there.

As it was, he didn't make it that far. Thank you Jason Fabini.

I dont think Gibbs was protecting him, I think Gibbs saw that JC couldnt make the decisions quick enough. They wouldnt have been as successful because JC just couldnt have handled it.

As mentioned above, we will see with Zorn.

GTripp0012 · 05-29-2008, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think Gibbs was protecting him, I think Gibbs saw that JC couldnt make the decisions quick enough. They wouldnt have been as successful because JC just couldnt have handled it.

As mentioned above, we will see with Zorn.

Injuries though, #1 reason for sure.

After that, you may be right who knows.

It's possible that you could be totally right and Gibbs totally wrong and Campbell has a monster year. Could happen.

Mattyk72 · 05-29-2008, 11:51 AM

Good article, note this section:

Quote:

Jason Campbell went 8-for-11 for 88 yards during that stretch, using an approach that was strikingly different from the usual Gibbs philosophy. Instead of emphasizing the run and taking the occasional deep shot, the quarterback moved the team down the field with a mixture of runs and short passes, borrowing a page from the West Coast offense.

Redskins players lobby Gibbs to go no-huddle: 'We went out and made it work' - USATODAY.com

skinsnut · 05-30-2008, 10:24 AM

test post, didn't see post 61-67...it was showing a page 5 when I hovered over it said post 61-71, but when I clicked on page 5 it it took me to page 4..there must have been no real posts there on 5 yet...now page 5 is real because of this post.
Confused

KokoMike · 05-30-2008, 05:50 PM

What I really want to see is how Zorn deals with Campbell's very, very slow delivery. Unless Campbell can make quicker decisions and unload more quickly, he won't go to the next level. If he does get to the next level, pay him. If not, don't pay top dollar for average play. Hold off for now.

05-27-2008, 01:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
SmootSmack Patience=Virtue Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 21,475	Re: Time to extend Jason Campbell? Jason Campbell certainly needs to continue to improve. Those late game interceptions he threw against Dallas and Tampa need to turn into touchdowns. Will he make mistakes again? Sure, every QB does. But they need to be few and far between. Who knows if we would have made the playoffs had Campbell been the QB? Collins did a great job leading the team down the stretch. But then again, everyone stepped it up down the stretch. I'm sure confidence in the QB played a part (why shouldn't it, Collins probably knows the Saunders offense better than Saunders himself), but so did inspired post-tragedy play, healthy players, players getting more accustomed to playing the system and playing with each other. See: Reche Caldwell getting key catches as he got more familiar with the offense and got some playing time; Fabini and Heyer getting comfortable playing together on the right side (and Wade being benched!). And not to mention that Joe Gibbs is one of the best December coaches ever, and almost always sets his teams up to finish strong. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-27-2008, 07:33 PM	#49 (permalink)
prinzeofmoval Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 385	Re: Time to extend Jason Campbell? Its only clear we don't have a great Qb. I liked Jason coming out of the draft but he has yet to show me something. We haven't had a quarterback since well like 15 years. lets go down the list of flunkies..Campbell can't close the door on a game if his hands were glued to it. Mark brunell was scared to throw it further then 6 yards and inside the hash marks. Patrick Ramsey what were we thinking? Trent Green was one of the ones who got away and we didn't really groom correctly he was the one who got away. Jeff George was passed his time. Oh yeah didn't an another idiot qb hurt his neck hitting a concrete wall? I rest my case. The times we have won is when we played some smashmouthed defense and run the ball down their throats. I don't see no big reason to sign this kid until he proves himself. __________________ IVE BEEN MYSPACED!!!

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05-28-2008, 04:23 PM	#54 (permalink)
Mattyk72 #21 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32,281	Re: Time to extend Jason Campbell? You have to wonder though... was the conservative nature of the play calling justified with Campbell in the lineup? Because when the reins were loosened up a bit and he was allowed to sling it around in the no-huddle and call his own plays, he played very well. I think Gibbs was perhaps a little too protective of him. I don't think we'll see the same from Zorn though. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

05-30-2008, 10:24 AM	#59 (permalink)
skinsnut The Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 1,205	Re: Time to extend Jason Campbell? test post, didn't see post 61-67...it was showing a page 5 when I hovered over it said post 61-71, but when I clicked on page 5 it it took me to page 4..there must have been no real posts there on 5 yet...now page 5 is real because of this post. Confused __________________ I hate Dallas...Period Last edited by skinsnut; 05-30-2008 at 10:27 AM.

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KokoMike Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2008 Location: Global Posts: 28	Re: Time to extend Jason Campbell? What I really want to see is how Zorn deals with Campbell's very, very slow delivery. Unless Campbell can make quicker decisions and unload more quickly, he won't go to the next level. If he does get to the next level, pay him. If not, don't pay top dollar for average play. Hold off for now.

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