Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James

redskinsskickazz

I like this move a lot, all upside with virtually no downside.
Most seventh rounders dont make the team anyway and we only have to give one up if he makes the squad.

wilsowilso

Erasmus James is probably more washed out than washed up because he is still very young and while the luster on his first round shine has faded(washed out) his career might not be over(washed up) by a long shot. If his knee doesn't allow him to resume his career then James is both washed out and washed up, but we have no way of knowing that right now. Athletes can of course make comebacks from injury and this guy was a player.

Courney Penn is washed up. If he is who I think he is? If not then I have no opinion of Courney Penn.

freddyg12

Courtney Penn is on our school board-see below, I got him mixed up w/courtney brown & misspelled his name cause the 'h' on my keyboard gets stuck a lot. Glad it brought some laughs! Also glad we got E. James, maybe he'll regain his form w/time.

Courtney A. Penn. Effective July 1, 2007, Mr. Penn began his second three-year term on the School Board. He is the Special Assistant to the President of Roanoke College. Mr. Penn is involved in a wide range of civic activities including the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Beta Phi Boule of Sigma Pi Phi Fraternity, Inc., he serves as co-chairman of the United Way Community Engagement Program and is a member on the State Board of Juvenile Justice. Mr. Penn has served as a member of the Roanoke City Advisory Board for Human Development and the Roanoke City Arts Commission and was chair of the education committee of the Roanoke Branch NAACP. He has three children, and two who are school-age attend Roanoke City Public Schools.

wilsowilso

We didn't pass on Courney Penn that year freddy. He was the number 1 overall pick to Cleveland. We took Lavar second and Samuels third.

Edit: Someone already pointed that out my bad.

Rajmahal33

It's not often you can "answer" a problem or find a "stud" at DE for a conditional 7th round pick. I would be content if this guy could be a 3rd down pass rush DE. It brings up an interesting point...how many sacks/tackles/hurries etc does James have to produce before ppl will be saying that this guy was "worth it"?

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mlmpetert

Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerato called Vikings coach Brad Childress Tuesday and convinced him to trade James instead of releasing him. In exchange for James, the Vikings will receive a conditional seventh-round pick in 2009.

I wounder how much convincing it took? Otherwise the artical points out we wouldnt of got him as there was likely a team with a worse record that was attempting to sign him. Everything Ive read sounds like Vinny was real high on him when he came out and with Palermo on the staff it made James a must have for a 7th.

ESPN - Vikings send injured DE James to Redskins for conditional pick - NFL

A lot of articals are kinda vauge on his injuries, and I didnt know, but it sounds like he tore his ACL and sprained his MCL in September 2006. Then retore his ACL on Dec 2 2007, having surgury in early/mid December. But I keep hearing 3 knee surgeries, sounds like 3 injuries and 2 surgeries?

Dont know about his hip injury in college though. Maybe he just has bad joints? Hopefully just a case of bad luck ending in 2007.

skinsnut

I am a little iffy on this one....originally, I thought we should go after this guy....then I looked at his stats...and his injuries.
His injuries I can understand....and certainly for a conditional 7th...thats fine.
My concern was his minimal impact when he was playing.
The guy is rather small...so he is no more than a situational DE at best when healthy.

Ya never know...perhaps they can convert him to an OLB?
I know it sounds crazy...but we need a backup there too.

I really think we are trading a 7th for a name at this point.

The main risk is not the 7th....it is his salary...whatever that is.
Someone...please find out what we are gunna pay this dude to be a 4th or 5th DE.

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T.O.Killa

Now, I would like to see them sign Schwiegert or Doss.

skinsnut

That, my friend, depends on how much we are paying him.
I say...1 sack for every 150k...for example, if we are paying him 600k...he better give us 4 sacks

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T.O.Killa

To put some perspective on James rookie season, with four sacks, take a look at the sack leaders for 2007. This kid could be a steal. Many players have had this type of injury and came back.

Jared Allen 9 sacks
Patrick Kerney 2.5 sacks
Mario Williams 4.5 sacks
Demarcus Ware 8 sacks
Osi Umenyiora 1 sack
Last years super star pass rusher, Gaines Adams. Picked number 4 overall, had 6 sacks.

SmootSmack

Courtney Penn meet Norman Einstein

Where's the "H" in Courtney Penn (or Courtney Brown for that matter)?

Glad you have a sense of humor

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Schneed10

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Let's recap:

If he doesn't make our 53 man roster, we don't give up any picks/compensation to the Vikings.

If he doesn't make our 53 man roster, we don't carry any salary cap charge. If he makes the team, we're only responsible for his $1 million base salary this season, which is non-guaranteed.

After signing rookies, we will have $4-5 million in cap space. So if he beats out a Ryan Boschetti or an Alex Buzbee and makes the team, salary cap space will not be an issue.

So... what exactly is the downside here? Nothing. You either got yourself some DE depth with upside, or you say bye bye to him and you've still got the same personnel (and draft picks) you had yesterday.

Will it change our season, almost certainly not. But there's no downside at all.

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skinsnut

I'm still concerned about what we are paying this guy.
From everything I'm reading...he was due 1 million this year....which is probably why they are dumping him...and probably why no one offered a pick like the skins for a 4th DE....if thats the case...and we are picking that up....thats fine, but we are way overpaying for his value....but this could be overweighed by having leverage over him for future years if he does better than Chris Wilson or something.
If he does....and were all hoping that....expect an extension mid year so we don't lose him.

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