Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James

Mattyk · 05-28-2008, 01:16 PM

LOL that Chris Wilson thread last year was a Warpath classic.

SC Skins Fan · 05-28-2008, 01:36 PM

Can anyone think of a first round 'bust' DL who ever went on to contribute in any meaningful way with another team. I'm trying to think of an example, but I'm having trouble coming up with any names. No need to reiterate the ubiquitous 'low-risk, high-reward' (I get it) but wanted to emphasize that if the last 10 years or so are any measure then the 'reward' probably won't be very high at all. Getting anything from the guy would really be a surprise given past precedent.

Daryl Gardener did turn in a good year for the Skins in 2002, that's one name perhaps (though his career ended the next year when he suffered another back injury after signing with Denver). I'll think you'll be hard pressed to think of anyone ... I couldn't. (Chris Hovan maybe? Though he had showed some promise in Minnesota before falling out of favor and not fitting in with the defensive scheme).

More recently, names that fit the criteria include Ryan Sims, Jonathan Sullivan, Wendell Bryant, Jimmy Kennedy, William Joseph, etc.

Defensewins · 05-28-2008, 01:40 PM

If I am reading the injury information correctly "he (James) underwent three surgical procedures on his left knee in a 13-month period."
".....he (James) again tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee last December."

Given that he is only 5 months from his most recent ACL replacement, I see it very difficult for James to make the opening day roster. In September it would only be 9 months. Maybe they put him on a reserve/injured list or something like that. I do not see him ready in September to go against a 300 pound left tackle on a bad knee.

Mattyk · 05-28-2008, 01:42 PM

Depends a lot on how bad his most recent injury was. Was it a complete tear?

GMScud · 05-28-2008, 01:48 PM

141 posts on this thread? Wow. This guy won't be ready for the season. He tore his left ACL for the second time less than 6 months ago. This trade is close to meaningless IMO.

Defensewins · 05-28-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Depends a lot on how bad his most recent injury was. Was it a complete tear?

It was a complete tear both in 07 and 06.
According to the Vikings both surgeries were considered major, meaning ACL graft/replacement. Last year 2007-2008 season Erasmus James' comeback from major knee surgery lasted all of three or four plays. He tore his ACL again after just a few plays. According to USA Today. This guy is a long shot.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jbcjr14

The dreaded double post...

Sorry. Been having internet issues all day.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

It was a complete tear both in 07 and 06.
According to the Vikings both surgeries were considered major, meaning ACL graft/replacement. Last year 2007-2008 season Erasmus James' comeback from major knee surgery lasted all of three or four plays. He tore his ACL again after just a few plays. According to USA Today. This guy is a long shot.

I think the last time we got someone with knee issues and multiple surgeries from the Vikings was when we got Terry Allen.

Mattyk · 05-28-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

It was a complete tear both in 07 and 06.
According to the Vikings both surgeries were considered major, meaning ACL graft/replacement. Last year 2007-2008 season Erasmus James' comeback from major knee surgery lasted all of three or four plays. He tore his ACL again after just a few plays. According to USA Today. This guy is a long shot.

Yeah he's a long shot but at the same time coming back from multiple knee injuries isn't the kiss of death that it used to be.

GMScud · 05-28-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the last time we got someone with knee issues and multiple surgeries from the Vikings was when we got Terry Allen.

Terry Allen was coming off back-to-back 1000+ yard seasons and had started 32 consecutive games when we got him from Minny.

He had knee issues but at least he proved he could make it through a season and perform at a high level.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Terry Allen was coming off back-to-back 1000+ yard seasons and had started 32 consecutive games when we got him from Minny.

He had knee issues but at least he proved he could make it through a season and perform at a high level.

I see what you're saying, but that's not entirely accurate. He tore his knee up in 1990 (his rookie year) and missed that season. He played half a season in 1991 and then a full season in 1992. But then he missed all of 1993 following another torn ACL, and then played a full season in 1994.

So two out of three years before the Redskins got him.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's making 1 million.

Do you know how much the 'vet min' is? It's going to be between 650,000-800,000 this season.

Or just a hair under 1 million, which is what James is making.

From JLC and Redskins Insider:

"Also, I screwed something up yesterday and, like a moron, forgot what year it was (seriously) when looking at Erasmus James's contract. Indeed he does have a $1 million salary left on his contract ... but that's in 2009. In 2008 he will earn $695,000 if he makes the Redskins. So he has two seasons left on his deal."

Santana Moss's Charity Bashes/Waiting For Erasmus - Redskins Insider

GMScud · 05-28-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see what you're saying, but that's not entirely accurate. He tore his knee up in 1990 (his rookie year) and missed that season. He played half a season in 1991 and then a full season in 1992. But then he missed all of 1993 following another torn ACL, and then played a full season in 1994.

So two out of three years before the Redskins got him.

Good points. I guess the difference is Terry Allen proved he had fully recovered before we got him. But we're not risking anything since this move won't cost us a think if he doesn't make the team. And I don't think he will.

skinsnut · 05-28-2008, 03:55 PM

ya know...we could put him on injured reserve at the beginining of the year if need be.
We wouldn't lose our 7th....but would we have to pay him?
He'd be under contract....then we could sign him to a minor 3 year contract with injury stipulations all over it.

Anyone know if you get paid per game on injured reserve?
Perhaps they are considering paying this guy his 1 mil, for the potential to lock him up long term

Bubba305-ST21- · 05-28-2008, 03:56 PM

I really think this pick up could be crucial to the skins. this guy obvioiusly has the talent if you ever got a chance to see him at wisconsin. some guys take a few years to develop and get comfortable in the nfl. not to mention some bad luck with injuries doesnt help the process but i really think this guy could be a big help and who knows maybe even start on the other side of carter in a year or two bc he is only 25

05-28-2008, 01:16 PM	#121
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,689	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James LOL that Chris Wilson thread last year was a Warpath classic. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-28-2008, 01:36 PM	#122
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,554	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James Can anyone think of a first round 'bust' DL who ever went on to contribute in any meaningful way with another team. I'm trying to think of an example, but I'm having trouble coming up with any names. No need to reiterate the ubiquitous 'low-risk, high-reward' (I get it) but wanted to emphasize that if the last 10 years or so are any measure then the 'reward' probably won't be very high at all. Getting anything from the guy would really be a surprise given past precedent. Daryl Gardener did turn in a good year for the Skins in 2002, that's one name perhaps (though his career ended the next year when he suffered another back injury after signing with Denver). I'll think you'll be hard pressed to think of anyone ... I couldn't. (Chris Hovan maybe? Though he had showed some promise in Minnesota before falling out of favor and not fitting in with the defensive scheme). More recently, names that fit the criteria include Ryan Sims, Jonathan Sullivan, Wendell Bryant, Jimmy Kennedy, William Joseph, etc. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

05-28-2008, 01:40 PM	#123
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James If I am reading the injury information correctly "he (James) underwent three surgical procedures on his left knee in a 13-month period." ".....he (James) again tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee last December." Given that he is only 5 months from his most recent ACL replacement, I see it very difficult for James to make the opening day roster. In September it would only be 9 months. Maybe they put him on a reserve/injured list or something like that. I do not see him ready in September to go against a 300 pound left tackle on a bad knee.

05-28-2008, 01:42 PM	#124
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,689	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James Depends a lot on how bad his most recent injury was. Was it a complete tear? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-28-2008, 01:48 PM	#125
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Age: 34 Posts: 12,623	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James 141 posts on this thread? Wow. This guy won't be ready for the season. He tore his left ACL for the second time less than 6 months ago. This trade is close to meaningless IMO. __________________ Insert witty signature here

05-28-2008, 03:55 PM	#134
skinsnut The Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,172	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James ya know...we could put him on injured reserve at the beginining of the year if need be. We wouldn't lose our 7th....but would we have to pay him? He'd be under contract....then we could sign him to a minor 3 year contract with injury stipulations all over it. Anyone know if you get paid per game on injured reserve? Perhaps they are considering paying this guy his 1 mil, for the potential to lock him up long term __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

05-28-2008, 03:56 PM	#135
Bubba305-ST21- Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 25 Posts: 672	Re: Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James I really think this pick up could be crucial to the skins. this guy obvioiusly has the talent if you ever got a chance to see him at wisconsin. some guys take a few years to develop and get comfortable in the nfl. not to mention some bad luck with injuries doesnt help the process but i really think this guy could be a big help and who knows maybe even start on the other side of carter in a year or two bc he is only 25 __________________ never another.....R.I.P. Sean T #21

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