Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen?

T.O.Killa · 05-24-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RIGGO/NYC

I do not think Heyer is quallity starting material. That said I do think Jansen is on the down side and Heyer could be better then him. I really do not like either. We were absolutely crazy to drat 5'9 Tryon instead of 6'5 340 pound Carl Nicks who was the most physically gifted right tackle/guard in the draft. Right tackle worries me and I do not think it would be out of the question, though not likely that Wade could start if healthy because he might be the best run blocker of the three. If Heyer were a little bigger, like 6'7 330 instead of 6'6 320, i'd be i little bit more optimistic about his chances, but because of his lack of quickness and average size; i'd say he's a backup at best and this is Jansen's last season.

Since when is 320 6-6 not big enough, thats prototypical size.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-24-2008, 12:44 PM

Heyer did not look like he was anywhere near ready to start at RT. He looked like a late round pick who needed TE help to get the job done. I like Heyer, he didn't look like a UDFA. and has potential....but he's not better than even an aging Jansen.

Skinny Tee · 05-24-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Good thread topic.

I haven't heard anything on Heyer this offseason (if anybody has a link to an article please post), but he did not look like starting material IMO last season. Jansen will start... I wouldn't bet a single dollar he finishes the season. I re-reviewed some preseason tape from 07 and Jansen looked like the slowest player on the field every single down. IMHO opinion he was doomed to get hurt because when you're slow in a game of speed you're gonna get trampled or rolled up on or something.

Jasen got rolled up on because Jason Taylor should have been called offsides for jumping the snap count. Instead Taylor and Thomas were able to pressure Campbell into the dirt. How does his freak inury have any bearing on his consistency?

The guy is doing his job he just got unlucky that two of his major injuries were at the start of a season and made him miss 31 games.

Bugel put him in the starting lineup in '07. If this injury doesn't hinder him he should pick up where he left off.

The Goat · 05-24-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Jasen got rolled up on because Jason Taylor should have been called offsides for jumping the snap count. Instead Taylor and Thomas were able to pressure Campbell into the dirt. How does his freak inury have any bearing on his consistency?

The guy is doing his job he just got unlucky that two of his major injuries were at the start of a season and made him miss 31 games.

Bugel put him in the starting lineup in '07. If this injury doesn't hinder him he should pick up where he left off.

What I meant to say is that Jansen's lack of quickness has a major bearing on his likelihood of injury. Slower guys get hurt more. The tapes from last preseason are pretty overwhelming I thought because he actually looked his slowest during the last game against Jacksonville.

mooby · 05-24-2008, 01:17 PM

I think Jansen is easily the starter but when he goes down Heyer goes in. Lets say Jansen has another season ending injury and Heyer steps in and performs good enough to take the job from Jansen I believe we could be seeing the last of Jansen in a Redskins uni.

The Goat · 05-24-2008, 01:33 PM

I'm hoping Jansen is in better shape and stays healthy.

redskinsskickazz · 05-24-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

I think Jansen is easily the starter but when he goes down Heyer goes in. Lets say Jansen has another season ending injury and Heyer steps in and performs good enough to take the job from Jansen I believe we could be seeing the last of Jansen in a Redskins uni.

I wouldnt say you're going too far out on a limb by saying that we wouldnt see jansen again if he goes down with another season ending injury this year, in fact i would be shocked if he wasnt released after yet another season ending injury, especially considering his talent has been in decline a couple of years now.

Mattyk72 · 05-24-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Since when is 320 6-6 not big enough, thats prototypical size.

LOL seriously

EXoffender · 05-24-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd bet on them all staying in their spots as well.

OL figures to be the same starting five as last year. Rabach might be on a quick hook if he struggles again, though it shouldn't be as hard on him with all the other guys in the lineup again.

I don't agree that Rabach struggled last year. Heyer needs to learn if there's no one in front of him to block put your head on a swivel and find him. He's still developing and doesn't look to be built to handle the power DE. He may be better suited to backup (and maybe eventually replace) Samuels as he blocks faster and more agile DEs.

skinsnut · 05-24-2008, 04:26 PM

I agree with the no brainer comment...
Jansen....Heyer is a basic backup right now and though Jansen has declined...he is far more experienced and better than Heyer...
now Wade on the other hand is the more realistic question.

I personally believe Heyer with backup ahead of Wade....because of age, pay and most importantly....performance

freddyg12 · 05-24-2008, 06:34 PM

At first when I saw this thread I thought it an almost ridiculous question, but I gave it a thought & read the original post, which said that Heyer is making major progress in the offseason. If that's true I could almost see it happening in the same fashion that Montgomery became a starter last year.

I'm hoping Jansen is up to the task & the job is his to lose. He's a bit slower & has problems w/speed rushers, but Heyer got manhandled on bull rushes by P. Kearnery in the playoffs. His strength seems far away from being starting material, but maybe that's changed.

mooby · 05-24-2008, 07:05 PM

While I don't think Heyer played all that well last year, I do believe he showed promise enough to make the coaches believe with some good training he can become a good player. I think a lot of people were expecting more of him, but for me, the fact that he was an undrafted free agent rookie who ended up getting a lot of playing time in his rookie season, well he performed good enough for me to believe that with some help from Buges he can become a quality backup.

Daseal · 05-24-2008, 08:17 PM

I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks.

Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on.

rypper11 · 05-24-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks.

Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on.

But don't you think Buges will still have a major say on which OLine start?

I think Jansen will be great again this year. I don't think he's been the same since his good friend and former roommate Ramsey was benched but I think he wants to prove that he's not an injury prone aging lineman.

bedlamVR · 05-24-2008, 09:55 PM

There is no garuntee any player anywhere will not go down with the same injury Jansen did . That kind of injury does not make you injury prone just unlucky .

People tend to forget that for 2 years Jansen has had his normal duties co-oppted to a drgree . He is knownas a powerful run blocker and for the past two years he has been the blind side protector for the left handed Brunell which requires slightly different style of playing, ligher more athletic ..

05-24-2008, 12:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,532	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? Heyer did not look like he was anywhere near ready to start at RT. He looked like a late round pick who needed TE help to get the job done. I like Heyer, he didn't look like a UDFA. and has potential....but he's not better than even an aging Jansen.

05-24-2008, 01:17 PM	#20 (permalink)
mooby Director of Zornography Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 3,946	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? I think Jansen is easily the starter but when he goes down Heyer goes in. Lets say Jansen has another season ending injury and Heyer steps in and performs good enough to take the job from Jansen I believe we could be seeing the last of Jansen in a Redskins uni. __________________ A few guidelines for the mass of old players that are going to get released somewhere along the line, and whether or not we should bring them in. 1. If the player is old as dirt don't bother. 2. If the player is washed up don't bother. 3. If the player doesn't address an area of need like LB don't bother. Brought to you by WilsoWilso.

05-24-2008, 01:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
The Goat Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 168	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? I'm hoping Jansen is in better shape and stays healthy. __________________ If you have to lie... do it with a smile and keep blogging.

05-24-2008, 04:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
skinsnut Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 894	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? I agree with the no brainer comment... Jansen....Heyer is a basic backup right now and though Jansen has declined...he is far more experienced and better than Heyer... now Wade on the other hand is the more realistic question. I personally believe Heyer with backup ahead of Wade....because of age, pay and most importantly....performance __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

05-24-2008, 06:34 PM	#26 (permalink)
freddyg12 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,075	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? At first when I saw this thread I thought it an almost ridiculous question, but I gave it a thought & read the original post, which said that Heyer is making major progress in the offseason. If that's true I could almost see it happening in the same fashion that Montgomery became a starter last year. I'm hoping Jansen is up to the task & the job is his to lose. He's a bit slower & has problems w/speed rushers, but Heyer got manhandled on bull rushes by P. Kearnery in the playoffs. His strength seems far away from being starting material, but maybe that's changed.

05-24-2008, 07:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
mooby Director of Zornography Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 3,946	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? While I don't think Heyer played all that well last year, I do believe he showed promise enough to make the coaches believe with some good training he can become a good player. I think a lot of people were expecting more of him, but for me, the fact that he was an undrafted free agent rookie who ended up getting a lot of playing time in his rookie season, well he performed good enough for me to believe that with some help from Buges he can become a quality backup. __________________ A few guidelines for the mass of old players that are going to get released somewhere along the line, and whether or not we should bring them in. 1. If the player is old as dirt don't bother. 2. If the player is washed up don't bother. 3. If the player doesn't address an area of need like LB don't bother. Brought to you by WilsoWilso.

05-24-2008, 08:17 PM	#28 (permalink)
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Posts: 6,445	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks. Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on. __________________ Apparently not having unrelenting optimism means you're not a fan.

05-24-2008, 09:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 336	Re: Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen? There is no garuntee any player anywhere will not go down with the same injury Jansen did . That kind of injury does not make you injury prone just unlucky . People tend to forget that for 2 years Jansen has had his normal duties co-oppted to a drgree . He is knownas a powerful run blocker and for the past two years he has been the blind side protector for the left handed Brunell which requires slightly different style of playing, ligher more athletic ..

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