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Old 05-24-2008, 10:53 PM   #31
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Good thread topic.

I haven't heard anything on Heyer this offseason (if anybody has a link to an article please post), but he did not look like starting material IMO last season. Jansen will start... I wouldn't bet a single dollar he finishes the season. I re-reviewed some preseason tape from 07 and Jansen looked like the slowest player on the field every single down. IMHO opinion he was doomed to get hurt because when you're slow in a game of speed you're gonna get trampled or rolled up on or something. Hopefully, he's started to take better care of himself and increased his quickness. I've been a little pessimistic about Jansen since I heard him complain of the heat in D.C. and admit that he "eats like crap." With millions on hand I might think about hiring a chef who can satisfy my appetite and keep me in tip-top shape - how is it that half of hollywood does it but it's somehow too much to ask of a professional athlete?
Have you heard about Randy Thomas and his eating habits?
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:58 PM   #32
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Well... maybe a healthy lifestyle/diet is too much to ask of a professional athlete.

Seriously though, S. Springs was the most injury prone guy on either side of the ball until he focused on diet/training/lifestyle and look what it did for him last year. I would expect other guys to notice and try harder, but I don't think Jansen is that kind of player. It's absurd to think or say that o-lineman don't take care of themselves and have to be slow. Seriously? Anybody here think Samuels eats like crap and is slow? What we're talking about here is complacency by Jansen, and RT evidently, although he still shows a lot of quickness out there. For pete's sake, when your aging, seeing your own skill diminish, and spending time on the sidelines wouldn't you want to help yourself out as much as possible?
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Well... maybe a healthy lifestyle/diet is too much to ask of a professional athlete.

Seriously though, S. Springs was the most injury prone guy on either side of the ball until he focused on diet/training/lifestyle and look what it did for him last year. I would expect other guys to notice and try harder, but I don't think Jansen is that kind of player. It's absurd to think or say that o-lineman don't take care of themselves and have to be slow. Seriously? Anybody here think Samuels eats like crap and is slow? What we're talking about here is complacency by Jansen, and RT evidently, although he still shows a lot of quickness out there. For pete's sake, when your aging, seeing your own skill diminish, and spending time on the sidelines wouldn't you want to help yourself out as much as possible?
I think you're blowing this sky high.

Do you really think Jansen and Thomas aren't in good physical condition and aren't dedicated to their careers??
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I think you're blowing this sky high.

Do you really think Jansen and Thomas aren't in good physical condition and aren't dedicated to their careers??
You might be right. It took me by surprise when Jansen talked about his poor habits/diet in a national interview 2 years (?) ago. Telling a reporter that your sweat is really just grease doesn't necessarily inspire... so yeah I would say his personal choices are probably a contributor to his decline. I don't really know much about RT except we're a significantly better offense when he's on the field.
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You might be right. It took me by surprise when Jansen talked about his poor habits/diet in a national interview 2 years (?) ago. Telling a reporter that your sweat is really just grease doesn't necessarily inspire... so yeah I would say his personal choices are probably a contributor to his decline. I don't really know much about RT except we're a significantly better offense when he's on the field.
Not sure how diet is directly correlated with snapping an ankle and blowing out an achilles tendon. Up until those freak injuries the guy was literally a rock in the starting lineup.
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I think Daseal had a good point about new coaches not feeling partial toward players. Maybe that alone could motivate Jansen, or maybe he's gonna come out extra motivated no matter what. That's the scenario i'm hoping for.
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Not sure how diet is directly correlated with snapping an ankle and blowing out an achilles tendon.
Again it's his lack of quickness that i've noticed and i suppose contributes to his likelihood of injury. Slower guys are more likely to get rolled up on, trampled, whatever. When you're slower than the guys around you it's harder to control your own destiny (so to speak) during play. Maybe he would have been injured in those situations no matter what.
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Again it's his lack of quickness that i've noticed and i suppose contributes to his likelihood of injury. Slower guys are more likely to get rolled up on, trampled, whatever. When you're slower than the guys around you it's harder to control your own destiny (so to speak) during play. Maybe he would have been injured in those situations no matter what.
Slow guys get injured more often??

I'd love to hear some facts behind that assertion.

I believe when he injured his achilles he wasn't even engaged in a block, and when he snapped his ankle someone simply rolled him up. Speed and/or quickness had nothing to do with those injuries.
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Did I go from green dot to red dot for having a different perspective? What does red dot mean?
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Slow guys get injured more often??

I'd love to hear some facts behind that assertion.

I believe when he injured his achilles he wasn't even engaged in a block, and when he snapped his ankle someone simply rolled him up. Speed and/or quickness had nothing to do with those injuries.
Other than my own experience I can't point to a textbook or something (if that's what you're asking). When I was slower on the field (because I was playing w/ injuries) I always took the worst of the contact. the worst time was playing w/ groin pull and not having enough lateral push so I could not sidestep a linebacker.

But like I said, no way of telling whether a quicker Jansen would or would not have been injured in those plays.
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Did I go from green dot to red dot for having a different perspective? What does red dot mean?
Nothing personal, just an explanation. It most likely means that your voice sounds really muffled because you are talking out of your ass.
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Nothing personal, just an explanation. It most likely means that your voice sounds really muffled because you are talking out of your ass.
How clever...
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I can't believe so many people dislike Heyer after last year.
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I can't believe so many people dislike Heyer after last year.
I don't know if he's really disliked. I think he's a good story personally but am not convinced he can be a dominant RT. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I hope i'm wrong about Jansen and Heyer.
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I can't believe so many people dislike Heyer after last year.
I don't think anyone dislikes him. But let's be honest, the guy looked okay with a TE or FB staying in to double Heyer's man. He looked like a late round pick (which is good considering he was a UDFA) and I think some people are calling a spade a spade.
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