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Old 05-26-2008, 07:44 PM   #16
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I always thought Doughty was a pretty strong tackler. I mean his hits probably won't make highlight tapes, but he is pretty solid. From what I know Doss isn't a bad hitter either but I wouldn't put Doss too much over Doughty in the tackling category.
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Old 05-26-2008, 07:52 PM   #17
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He is worth a vet min contract and let him battle it out with Doughty in training camp and if he beats out Doughty in training camp then offer him a better contract
Won't be much of a battle. Doughty knows the system and will probably be even better next year due to his training regimine as well as the fact that he has around 6 or 7 games as a starter all games in which he earned high marks from the coaching staff, the only opinion that really matters.

I mean whats your problem with Doughty, is it because he was a 6th round pick? Do you need a higher rated safety on your team for your Madden franchise?

We went through this exact situation with Adam Archletta. We had a good compliment to Taylor in Ryan Clark and what do we do? We sign Adam Archuletta to a big fat contract and let Clark go to the Steelers. By the middle of the season most of the fan base realized that letting Clark go was a mistake. Now we're faced with a similar situation, in that we have a great compliment to our star safety in Doughty. The only difference is this time the front office isn't bringing in some big name to compete with Reed.

One things for sure, if a "big name" is released part of the fan base will be all over the guy screaming vet min. I mean last year Leftwich gets released and the fan base starts screaming "vet min we have no one behind Campbell, we can develop him." Erasmus James, 5 sacks in 23 career games, "lets get him, what do you mean Chris Wilson got 6 sacks last year?" Roy Williams is rumored to be leaving Dallas when his contracts up, lets get him, he's great in coverage.

Koren Robinson vet min
Adam Arcuhletta released by the Bears vet min

I mean damn, everytime. I guess part of me has come to accept it, that this is the way things are but still I can't believe how predictable this phenomenon has become.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:28 PM   #18
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Mike Doss is a heavy hitter just like the great safetys were. Doughty never lays people out. I wish they would make a trade for Roy Williams from Dallas
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:30 PM   #19
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Doman, Doss' injury problems over the past three years don't concern you at all? You don't think a solid (if unspectacular) Doughty who actually is on the field and has the support of his teammates is a better choice than Doss? You don't think we should Horton and/or Moore can ultimately be valuable depth at the safety position?
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:47 PM   #20
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Mike Doss is a heavy hitter just like the great safetys were. Doughty never lays people out. I wish they would make a trade for Roy Williams from Dallas
In that case your argument is Doughty doesn't give you enough material for a highlight reel. And as far as Doughty never lays people out, I doubt that. I'd have to look at the games again but I doubt you can label Doughty as soft, by nature you don't put finese players at SS.

Roy Williams apparently has major issues with coverage. He may not be as bad as Archuletta, but coverage is definately not one of his strengths. The 2005 MNF actually exposed Roy Williams not once, but twice.

The good news is the FO and coaching staff has obviously decided to develop within so lobbying to bring in guys like Doss before the season starts is a moot point. If the Redskins are worried about a particular position they will sign a veteran after the season starts. However for now Moore, Horton, and Scott will all have a chance to make the team and possibly contribute one day on defense. Weather or not I'm right about Doughty, only time will tell, but he's definately earned a chance to prove himself.

Also:

RealGM Football: Washington - Always Improving Defense Gets BetterAlso fighting for a spot on this ball club is the rookie Reed Doughty. Doughty is well liked by these coaches and has signs of a heady-hard hitter. ...

Strengths: Possesses good size and can comfortably add more weight to frame. Reads keys quickly, rarely takes false steps and is efficient. Plays with a non-stop motor, takes good pursuit angles and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Plays with a mean streak and delivers some big hits over the middle. Shows good awareness and rarely gets caught out of position when asked to drop into zone coverage.

From Scouts Inc: A big hitter, he establishes a level of intimidation by arriving full speed looking for the knockout shot. That nasty disposition and good straight-line speed help makes him a stellar special teams player

Reed Doughty delivered a particularly hard hit to the New Orleans Saints' Michael Lewis on December 17, 2006 while covering a kickoff. This hit made ESPN's Jacked Up! segment on Monday Night Football the following day.
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Old 05-27-2008, 01:53 AM   #21
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I say HELL NO! to Roy Williams. He's a slow overrated horsecollarer that is a Cowboy...

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Great post Dirtbag! Finally a little love for Doughty.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:52 AM   #23
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I think people around here have a little bit of Snyderitis. they must have the big name, can't handle a 6 round hard working kid starting. Doughty played very well for us last season. he and Landry have a nice chemistry, they are a cohesive pair of safeties. We were 8th in the NFL, with out Taylor, with out Rocky, Daniels banged up, Griff banged up, Marcus sitting out. There was a ton of pressure on those two young guys, especially with Rogers out too. His has decent speed, is a smart dude, and anticipates the plays very well.

oh, who is calling for us to sign Roy Williams?? are you people nuts?? He sucks... why do you think the Boys are sitting him pretty much on all passing downs? that isn't what I would call a wise move by trading for him.
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I think people around here have a little bit of Snyderitis. they must have the big name, can't handle a 6 round hard working kid starting. Doughty played very well for us last season. he and Landry have a nice chemistry, they are a cohesive pair of safeties. We were 8th in the NFL, with out Taylor, with out Rocky, Daniels banged up, Griff banged up, Marcus sitting out. There was a ton of pressure on those two young guys, especially with Rogers out too. His has decent speed, is a smart dude, and anticipates the plays very well.

oh, who is calling for us to sign Roy Williams?? are you people nuts?? He sucks... why do you think the Boys are sitting him pretty much on all passing downs? that isn't what I would call a wise move by trading for him.
I agree. Doughty was pretty solid and should continue to improve with experience. Let's give the kid a chance.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:02 AM   #25
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I am not sure why all the Doughty Doubt. I haven't seen him blow a lot of plays or get beaten deep consistently. As I recall he seemed to be a solid if not spectacular player.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:17 PM   #26
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But before they put the wimpy ass horse collar penalty in Williams was tearin it up with that signature tackle they only put the penalty on that cuz TO broke his leg from it
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But before they put the wimpy ass horse collar penalty in Williams was tearin it up with that signature tackle they only put the penalty on that cuz TO broke his leg from it
Have you been reading the press on Williams? or heard Newman's comments?
"A deer in the headlights" when it comes to coverage. Ranting in an unsigned memo to the press when a reporter criticizes him? Coaches saying he simply isn't smart enough to grasp the pro-defense?

Williams has ALWAYS been a one dimensional player and, since the retirement of Woodson, has survived on name recognition and Madden-Man-Crush.

As for the horse-collar, it's a wussy ass way to tackle and certainly not "laying someone out".

I'd take Doughty over Williams any day of the week.
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I am not sure why all the Doughty Doubt. I haven't seen him blow a lot of plays or get beaten deep consistently. As I recall he seemed to be a solid if not spectacular player.
He's weak in coverage, especially man coverage.

Most safeties are though. He deserves first crack at the job.
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Old 05-28-2008, 04:30 AM   #29
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Great post Dirtbag! Finally a little love for Doughty.
Thanks NM, if you liked that post then you'll love my upcoming "Reed Doughty Bashers - EXPLAIN" thread, where I ambush the people on the forum with one of the most unproductive threads in the history of the Warpath. But all kidding aside I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that feels like Doughty can play.

Doman, no offense but a lot of your rationalizations as to why you want the Redskins to sign particular players seem to be superficial. I'm definately not right 100% of the time and maybe I'm wrong about Doss, but I need a better argument then he's a hard hitter, and tearin it up. Not to mention false accusations concerning Doughty's playing style.
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Old 05-28-2008, 04:21 PM   #30
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But before they put the wimpy ass horse collar penalty in Williams was tearin it up with that signature tackle they only put the penalty on that cuz TO broke his leg from it
Instituting a penalty for "horse collar tackles" is not wimpy. That kind of tackle is akin to kicking someone in the knee cap. Besides, if you were a tough guy, would you have to resort to using your body weight to drag someone down by the shoulder pads? IMO, tough guys use violent hits and solid wrap-up tackles to bring players down.
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