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Old 06-02-2008, 01:54 PM   #46
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Re: What's our greatest need now?

Definitely WR. We seriously lack depth and talent.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:57 PM   #47
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^^^ haha thats funny
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:34 PM   #48
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Any word on the rest of our rookies that we havent signed yet? Shouldnt we have them signed before training camp? are they talking now , has anyone heard anything on this?
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:26 PM   #49
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I would say Safety. Doughty is a solid backup, and thats it. Schweigert is not starting material which is why [B]OAKLAND[B] let him go. and if Oakland doesn't think you're a starter then you suck.
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I would say Safety. Doughty is a solid backup, and thats it. Schweigert is not starting material which is why [b]OAKLAND[b] let him go. and if Oakland doesn't think you're a starter then you suck.
so randy moss sucks?
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:19 PM   #51
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I can't believe you guys are missing the obvious one - we need bodies at wide receiver. I think we need at least two more good wide receivers to feel safe.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:33 PM   #52
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Re: What's our greatest need now?

We have no depth at long snapper. We've been playing with fire the last few years but if Ethan goes down...we're royally screwed
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I can't believe you guys are missing the obvious one - we need bodies at wide receiver. I think we need at least two more good wide receivers to feel safe.

Dude, you were about 7 posts from being funny.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:32 AM   #54
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so randy moss sucks?
Thats not the point. Randy moss has talent but was a character issue which is why they traded him. Scheigert just sucks. Also Wide receiver is definitly not a need. Moss, ARE, MK, and DT that is one hell of a reciving core.
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I am with others on this subject...i think we need more depth at cornerback...not sure what the Carlos Rogers' time table is...and possibly more depth at OLB...is Rocky gonna comeback fully healed? And lets all hope that EJ is healthy and the DE's should be good. I think someone else mentioned the drafting of TE in the second round with Calais Campbell still on the board...still baffling to me as well.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:30 AM   #56
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Re: What's our greatest need now?

DE,DT/OLB & CB in that order.

Until proven otherwise, E. James is basically like an expensive undrafted fa or 7th round pick (if he makes the team). Daniels is a steady & solid DE, but at his age lacks the speed to get sacks & is injury prone. I would love to see Wilson, Buzbee & Jackson step up big time, but we can't expect any one of those guys to become starting material.

DT; we need at least one more young body to provide depth & build for the future.
OLB; depth is a major concern as MW & RM have both had their health issues.
CB: our best 3 cb's are either injury prone, old or coming off an injury.
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I am with others on this subject...i think we need more depth at cornerback...not sure what the Carlos Rogers' time table is...and possibly more depth at OLB...is Rocky gonna comeback fully healed? And lets all hope that EJ is healthy and the DE's should be good. I think someone else mentioned the drafting of TE in the second round with Calais Campbell still on the board...still baffling to me as well.
I agree with you that our greatest need right now is a CB. If everyone is healthy and 100% we are fine, however Rogers' and Springs' health are major concerns. Springs will also probably not be back next year, based on cap numbers.

C. Campbell's combine numbers were terrible, and much worse than expected. He has "bust" written all over him. How many 6'7" 290 lb DEs that are worth anything fall to the mid-second round, when prior to the combine they were being touted as a 1st round pick.
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I agree with you that our greatest need right now is a CB. If everyone is healthy and 100% we are fine, however Rogers' and Springs' health are major concerns. Springs will also probably not be back next year, based on cap numbers.

C. Campbell's combine numbers were terrible, and much worse than expected. He has "bust" written all over him. How many 6'7" 290 lb DEs that are worth anything fall to the mid-second round, when prior to the combine they were being touted as a 1st round pick.
Hmm, Michael Strahan comes to mind as a large defensive end that fell to the second round...

If we're going to miss, I wouldn't mind missing on a 6'7" 290 lb DE. I hate the combine, all these numbers are an attempt to quantify something that can't be quantified. Those combine drills are just that, drills, who cares that he sucks at the shuttle cone, or doesn't run a 4.5 40 yd dash, or only does 15 reps on the bench press. At 6'7" he's going to knock down passes, at 290 he can be effective against the run, and obviously he played well enough during the season to merit 1st round attention. And long term, we've got a Pro Bowl at TE already, would it have hurt to draft Campbell?
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Hmm, Michael Strahan comes to mind as a large defensive end that fell to the second round...

If we're going to miss, I wouldn't mind missing on a 6'7" 290 lb DE. I hate the combine, all these numbers are an attempt to quantify something that can't be quantified. Those combine drills are just that, drills, who cares that he sucks at the shuttle cone, or doesn't run a 4.5 40 yd dash, or only does 15 reps on the bench press. At 6'7" he's going to knock down passes, at 290 he can be effective against the run, and obviously he played well enough during the season to merit 1st round attention. And long term, we've got a Pro Bowl at TE already, would it have hurt to draft Campbell?
Most times our 2 TE sets only force the D to account for 3 pass catching threats, with the addition of Davis, it makes it 4. While I wasn't the biggest fan of the pick (I wanted Groves) I can see the logic. It makes the offense much more dynamic, all of the 2nd round picks did. I'm not mad about the draft at all.

I do agree that another end would have been nice, but I don't think Campbell will be that much better than Daniels. I would have liked to have seen Groves be the pick, but I love Fred Davis's playmaking ability and I can't be mad about that pick.
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Hmm, Michael Strahan comes to mind as a large defensive end that fell to the second round...

If we're going to miss, I wouldn't mind missing on a 6'7" 290 lb DE. I hate the combine, all these numbers are an attempt to quantify something that can't be quantified. Those combine drills are just that, drills, who cares that he sucks at the shuttle cone, or doesn't run a 4.5 40 yd dash, or only does 15 reps on the bench press. At 6'7" he's going to knock down passes, at 290 he can be effective against the run, and obviously he played well enough during the season to merit 1st round attention. And long term, we've got a Pro Bowl at TE already, would it have hurt to draft Campbell?
Hmm, I don't know Strahan's exact combine numbers, but I would bet a dime to a dollar that his bench press wasn't the WORST of all D-Lineman at the combine. I'm also pretty sure he ran better than a 5.0.

With Campbell's size and great sophomore season he was expected to be a top 5 pick in the NFL at some point. His junior season was below expectations and his work ethic is questionable. If your are a D-I DE at the U and you can only bench 8 reps at 225 (pre-combine Jan. 2008), something is wrong. You're either weak or lazy. I don't want to miss on a pick where there are serious warning signs for a bust. Campbell's D-Line coach from UofM is now on staff with the Skins. Campbell was available at a reasonable point in the draft and the Skins didn't take him, to me that speaks volumes.

The combine is not just "drills". It measures raw physical ability and that raw physical ability is extremely important in the NFL. Every NFL team seems to think it's pretty important, otherwise they wouldn't bother to attend.

At 6' 7", 290 Campbell doesn't have a low center of gravity, he's weak, with a questionable work ethic. At strong-side DE he would be getting BLOWN-UP at the point of attack. After that happened a couple of times how willing is he going to be to get back in there and "step it up", not very is my guess. I'd take Phillip Daniels for the next 4-5 years over Campbell in a heartbeat.

Having two TEs that are receiving threats is very important and creates match-up issues for the opposing D.
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