Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense?

skinsfan_nn · 06-01-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowell

Honestly, as much as I would love to see it, I don't think your going to ever see a Clinton Portis that was as good as he was on the Broncos. I'm telling you, if he had stayed on the Broncos he would be on track for a HOF career. As much as I love him, the Skins kind of ruined his career.

The Skins have ruined his career how so? Explain that one.

In 2004 when we trade for CP he was a 1300+ yard back his first year. The following season he was a 1500+ yard back.

In 2006 he had the injury bug 500+ yard back in less than half the season and thats respectful with all the injuries he had starting in game one of pre-season.

Last season 1262 yard back, with 389 yards receiving, with a patched up O-line and a four year older player since leaving denver. IMO I believe CP is a much more complete back now than he ever was in denver, he does a lot more for the offense than just run the ball. How many other RB's in this league can bring to the table what a healthy CP does? Not any IMO.

That to me is insane to think the Skins have ruined his career with a team that is well known for pounding the rock (Especially under Coach Gibbs). I think he is right on track to have another huge season with the run and being even more involved with the catch.

Daseal · 06-01-2008, 09:45 PM

Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.

skinsfan_nn · 06-01-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.

Why won't he thrive because the broncos run the WCO...? So do we now!

Well being he is a RB you should equate running the ball as production as that is his primary job function.

Why would that not be the case?

Furthermore, I'm looking at a bigger picture than just YPC as CP does alot more in the system we have been running the last 4 years. If you look at his overall production (not just YPC) the first two years here they where almost identical to his first two years in the league with Denver.

Of course there was a big drop off in 2006 due to injury. And he had a nice pickup in production last season coming off injuries from the year prior, even four years older than when we trade for him in 04.

Lets not forget what type of offense Denver runs.....the WCO. Which we will be running this season, CP is working harder than ever from what I have been seeing. I look for him to have a huge season with great overall production ( Could care less about his YPC ) but I look for CP to be back in 1500 yard form.

Mattyk72 · 06-01-2008, 10:40 PM

One could easily argue that Portis has become a more complete back in Washington.

Still, I think he is better suited for a running game that plays to his strengths more. And that would be more zone blocking and less power plays.

Daseal · 06-01-2008, 11:37 PM

Heh -- your argument makes absolutely no sense. You're saying that his production in DC was the same as Denver in yards (TDs are down) but saying YPC doesn't matter. He's getting pummeled every game carrying the ball more.

Portis is the best blocking back in the NFL, he's a very good and well rounded back. I'm just trying to say that Denver seems to produce backs like crazy because of the Alex Gibbs blocking schemes (something I don't believe we're using seeing as we have a fairly large mauling type olinemen.

I think the WCO will help him and will be a far better fit than he was in Gibbs offense.

VABCHSKINSFAN · 06-02-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by smoot27

, he can probably become one of our best RB's ever or perhaps the best RB we ever had.

I think he is already the best RB we've ever had. Dosent he hold many of the Redskins rushing records?

GMScud · 06-02-2008, 01:46 AM

The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers.

DynamiteRave · 06-02-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers.

Haha, I thought he put together a somewhat relevant thread this time. I mean, after getting your thread-starting privileges revoked, you gotta at least try to go out on a positive note?

GMScud · 06-02-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Haha, I thought he put together a somewhat relevant thread this time. I mean, after getting your thread-starting privileges revoked, you gotta at least try to go out on a positive note?

Well every thread he's started except this one has been locked, so I had to post it somewhere.

mooby · 06-02-2008, 06:44 AM

Well he did start a Madden thread in the Madden forum, at least he knows where to post them, and besides that thread isn't half bad either.

I wouldn't really count this thread as well, I think this is a decent topic given we have a new WCO and that was what Portis was in while he was in Denver.

irish · 06-02-2008, 09:51 AM

CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.

Mattyk72 · 06-02-2008, 10:10 AM

First off CP is only 26, he'll be 27 this fall but that's still not what I would call an old player. Second, he's only had 1 season where he missed significant time, so I don't see how that makes him injury prone.

jdlea · 06-02-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.

Injury prone? He missed significant time once in his career!

Slingin Sammy 33 · 06-02-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VABCHSKINSFAN

I think he is already the best RB we've ever had. Dosent he hold many of the Redskins rushing records?

Slow down there.....that's a pretty bold statement.

We've had some pretty good RBs here. Larry Brown, Riggins, Stephen Davis, Earnest Byner, Cliff Battles (way back in the day).

Portis hold the single season rushing record for a great 2005. However of the top 6 single season numbers, Stephen Davis holds three of those.

Riggins hold the single season TD record with 24, of the top 6 TD seasons, Riggo has 3.

The Redskins' career rushing leader is Riggo at 7472 yds., Larry Brown is second with 5875. Career TDs is Riggo w/79, second is Stephen Davis with 45.

Portis is also the career leader in Yds/Game. However, he's only played 55 games for us.

While in age he's in his prime at 27, his number of carries is that of an "older" back. He currently has over 1700 carries, averaging 285 / yr. That's a LOT. Plus as others have mentioned, in Gibbs' offense he has taken a pounding. I believe Portis will do well in the WCO, but I don't think he'll be productive past three years here. If he remains productive and we make it to the Superbowl he will be mentioned in the same sentence as Riggo. With Portis as the featured back, if we don't make it further than the conference championship, he will be remembered as on par with Davis & Brown.

firstdown · 06-02-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisl13

I hope he does return to form. If we have that Broncos Portis then we can be the best rushing team in the league. Portis was doing it all in Denver. And if that's true that Portis is down to 210lbs, I think he'll have that type of year. Hopefully, Zorn wants to use him as he used Alexander back in 2005 (I think).

Well Zorn was a QB coach and did not have any say in how Alexander was used back in 2005. I also think its tough to know at this point because we have know idea what kind of plays Zorn is going to use he is still working on the play book. I heard him say he was going to keep a good bit of the running plays we allready have so I'll wait and see.

06-01-2008, 09:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Posts: 6,674	re: Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense? Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in. __________________ Apparently not having unrelenting optimism means you're not a fan.

06-01-2008, 10:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
Mattyk72 #21 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32,281	re: Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense? One could easily argue that Portis has become a more complete back in Washington. Still, I think he is better suited for a running game that plays to his strengths more. And that would be more zone blocking and less power plays. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

06-01-2008, 11:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Posts: 6,674	re: Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense? Heh -- your argument makes absolutely no sense. You're saying that his production in DC was the same as Denver in yards (TDs are down) but saying YPC doesn't matter. He's getting pummeled every game carrying the ball more. Portis is the best blocking back in the NFL, he's a very good and well rounded back. I'm just trying to say that Denver seems to produce backs like crazy because of the Alex Gibbs blocking schemes (something I don't believe we're using seeing as we have a fairly large mauling type olinemen. I think the WCO will help him and will be a far better fit than he was in Gibbs offense. __________________ Apparently not having unrelenting optimism means you're not a fan.

06-02-2008, 01:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
GMScud Premium On Points Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,805	re: Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense? The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers. __________________ SEC Football -Unlike any other. GO GATORS! "We applied for a job at Giant and couldn't get it because we can't sack groceries." -Greg Blache I feel better now knowing that I am a loser with no self control. -Sponsered by Angry Last edited by GMScud; 06-02-2008 at 01:48 AM.

06-02-2008, 09:51 AM	#26 (permalink)
irish The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,813	re: Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense? CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.

06-02-2008, 10:10 AM	#27 (permalink)
Mattyk72 #21 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32,281	re: Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense? First off CP is only 26, he'll be 27 this fall but that's still not what I would call an old player. Second, he's only had 1 season where he missed significant time, so I don't see how that makes him injury prone. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

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