Stuart Schweigert a Redskin

skinsfan69 · 06-03-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Well I'm certainly not questioning Landry's athleticism or his "chiseled"-ness. However, I think skipping OTAs as a second year player with a new coaching staff is indicative that Landry's maturity might not be keeping up with his athletic ability. It's certainly his choice since OTAs are not mandatory, but from what the WaPo says Zorn was less than impressed with the decision. I might also point out that it is a decision that fits with what we know of Landry so far. He is a great athlete on the field and made some plays that other guys could not, but he also displayed a lack of discipline in games against Arizona, Chicago, New York Jets, and New York Giants with late hits and taughting penalties (against Plaxico Burress) that were unnecessary and extended opponents drives. He's also skipped out on much of the offseason workout routine and has routinely blown off committments he has made at autograph signings. It just seems to speak to a bit of a pattern that would indicate to me he still has some growing up to do and that he might be thinking of himself as a superstar player just a tad bit earlier than he should.

Who cares?? Every single team in the NFL has guys that skip OTA's. I remember ST doing some of the same things Landry is doing now. He'll be ready come opening day and I'm not worried about it. Plus the defense is going to be pretty much the same. He has some growing up to do as do a lot of young players. No big deal.

Dirtbag59 · 06-03-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry

2 Years ago, this defense under Greg Williams, referred to a Safety as a Safety. There was no real distinction between Strong and Free. Those distinctions in this defense just came last year after the disappointment of the AA project. When they decided to place specific roles on Safeties it was determined that the most athletic safety would be designated as free and the other would be the strong. At the time we were blessed to have Sean Taylor and Laron Landry. Sean Taylor was the more athletic of the 2 at the time. Now fast foreword 1 season, Laron Landry is clearly the better athlete and poised to maintain the Free Safety role that he finished last season with. This of coarse, will only hold true so long as Greg Blache keeps pretty much the same defensive scheme in tact.

In my eyes right now, until somebody else from Redskins Park says otherwise, Laron Landry is the starting Free Safety and Reed Doughty is in competition for the Strong Safety position against Stuart Schweigert. Regardless of who ends up starting where, I like our Corps. of safeties. I just wish we still had Sean too.

I actually forgot that Gregg Williams at one point didn't really make a distinction between Strong and Free. Well to be honest I learned about that mindset after we signed Archuletta and the Post started writing features on his background and how the team was planing on using him.

However I think you're right in that after the disaster that was the 2006 Redskins, Gregg seemed to favor more distinct roles for his safeties, especially getting Sean to play more centerfield.

RMSkins · 06-03-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry

2 Years ago, this defense under Greg Williams, referred to a Safety as a Safety. There was no real distinction between Strong and Free. Those distinctions in this defense just came last year after the disappointment of the AA project. When they decided to place specific roles on Safeties it was determined that the most athletic safety would be designated as free and the other would be the strong. At the time we were blessed to have Sean Taylor and Laron Landry. Sean Taylor was the more athletic of the 2 at the time. Now fast foreword 1 season, Laron Landry is clearly the better athlete and poised to maintain the Free Safety role that he finished last season with. This of coarse, will only hold true so long as Greg Blache keeps pretty much the same defensive scheme in tact.

In my eyes right now, until somebody else from Redskins Park says otherwise, Laron Landry is the starting Free Safety and Reed Doughty is in competition for the Strong Safety position against Stuart Schweigert. Regardless of who ends up starting where, I like our Corps. of safeties. I just wish we still had Sean too.

Anyone who thinks Stuart Schweigert is going to be a Strong Safety for us needs to go to Redskins.com and watch Greg Blache's press conference. Blache calls Schweigert a, "pure Free Safety," and that he is here to compete at the FS position. Schweigert is not your prototypical SS, he is not suited to be an "in the box" type of player because his tackling is sub-par. In Oakland, and at Purdue Schweigert was exclusivley a FS, and there is no reason to believe that he could be a SS for us, he just simply does not have the skill set.

Dirtbag59 · 06-03-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RMSkins

Anyone who thinks Stuart Schweigert is going to be a Strong Safety for us needs to go to Redskins.com and watch Greg Blache's press conference. Blache calls Schweigert a, "pure Free Safety," and that he is here to compete at the FS position. Schweigert is not your prototypical SS, he is not suited to be an "in the box" type of player because his tackling is sub-par. In Oakland, and at Purdue Schweigert was exclusivley a FS, and there is no reason to believe that he could be a SS for us, he just simply does not have the skill set.

I3uT he r whit3 like doughaty and big mac and that r mean he iz Ss.

But yeah RM is right. The guy broke Woodsons INT record at Purdue and he has a reputation as a ball hawk. Even his biggest hit on YouTube wasn't really that big. Though it was probably a lot harder then it looked. I'll have to look into weather or not he has any sort of reputation as a big hitter, but right now I'm under the impression that he's a wrap up tackler that specializes, out of all things, coverage, despite what Raider nation is saying about him these day.s

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-03-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

LaRon Landry is our FS. He is not getting moved to SS.

My untrained eyes lead me to believe that Laron is best suited to play FS. However, I distinctly recall the coaching staff saying this offseason that they'd like to move him back to SS. I don't know if that is still the case.

Defensewins · 06-03-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

My untrained eyes lead me to believe that Laron is best suited to play FS. However, I distinctly recall the coaching staff saying this offseason that they'd like to move him back to SS. I don't know if that is still the case.

We do not have anyone on the roster that can play the FS as well as LaRon.
A few years ago in preseason Reed Doughty was tried at starting FS but failed. Doughty also played FS in regualr season when ST was injured and he also burned.
But when they started Doughty at SS after Talyor's death Doughty was adequate. That tells you how much more difficult the FS position is to master in the NFL and how much more responsibility that position requires than the SS position.
Why then would move our best safety to SS and start a lesser player at a more important position? That would be like moving Portis to FB.

RMSkins · 06-03-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

We do not have anyone on the roster that can play the FS as well as LaRon.
A few years ago in preseason Reed Doughty was tried at starting FS but failed. Doughty also played FS in regualr season when ST was injured and he also burned.
But when they started Doughty at SS after Talyor's death Doughty was adequate. That tells you how much more difficult the FS position is to master in the NFL and how much more responsibility that position requires than the SS position.
Why then would move our best safety to SS and start a lesser player at a more important position? That would be like moving Portis to FB.

You're putting the FS position on a pedastool. It does not matter if Landry is playing SS or FS, he's still going to be a difference maker, and Landry himself said that he doesn't have a preference on what position he plays. The point is to upgrade you're safety tandem, you want your two best safeties on the field at the same time. If Schweigert is a better safety than Doughty, than we need to have Landry at SS and Schweigert at FS. If Doughty is better than Schweigert, than Landry needs to be at FS and Doughty at SS, it's as simple as that. That's the beauty about having Landry, he's versatile enough to play either position and still be a difference maker, so the coaching staff has the flexibility to be able to put the two best safeties on the field, no matter what the combination is. One more thing I wanted to put out there, don't forget about Moore and Horton. I think that they could be major players in the competition for one of the safety spots.

Eknox · 06-03-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Please stop, that would be making something out of absolutely nothing. The kid is probably choosing to work out on his own just like Springs does.

Did you see him in the race video with Clinton Portis? Landry certainly looks in shape to me, he looked absolutely chiseled. Not to mention fast as hell.

Landry's going to have a huge year, he's definitely nothing to worry about.

I totally agree with everything you said I never thought about it that way...great response

smoot27 · 06-03-2008, 09:33 PM

I want him to start , he seems like a cool guy who just needs a true chance.
And i believe by the regular season will see STU as our new FS and that could seattle the 09 needed safety problem.

.......but could be a pipe dream.

skinsfan_nn · 06-03-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smoot27

I want him to start , he seems like a cool guy who just needs a true chance.
And i believe by the regular season will see STU as our new FS and that could seattle the 09 needed safety problem.

.......but could be a pipe dream.

I want him to start, he seems like a cool guy....huh? WTF are you talking about?

Wouldn't you much rather just see the BEST player EARN the position on the field? Does that make any sense?

You'll have to put down the pipe for just a moment.....I have absolutely no clue what your second sentence is supposed to mean? Never mind, moving on.

Paintrain · 06-03-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sounds like a decent signing.

Comment: Schweigert has excellent size for the position and enough speed to be effective covering the deep half of the field. He has some straight-line to him in that he does not redirect or change directions well and and can overrun plays when he comes in out of control. He has very good recognition skills and is very quick to pull the trigger. He does a good job of reading the quarterback and appears to have good route recognition, allowing him to get a good jump on the ball from deep zone. He can struggle when forced to lock up with a tight end or running back in man coverage. He can be an explosive hitter when he has time to build up momentum but is a bit stiff in the hips and not naturally explosive in a small area. He tends to come out of his pedal in stages and builds to speed when closing on the ball. While Schweigert is not special as a safety he is a blue-collar type and more than adequate.

ESPN - Stuart Schweigert Stats, News, Photos - Oakland Raiders - NFL Football

Matt Stevens 2.0?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-04-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

We do not have anyone on the roster that can play the FS as well as LaRon.
A few years ago in preseason Reed Doughty was tried at starting FS but failed. Doughty also played FS in regualr season when ST was injured and he also burned.
But when they started Doughty at SS after Talyor's death Doughty was adequate. That tells you how much more difficult the FS position is to master in the NFL and how much more responsibility that position requires than the SS position.
Why then would move our best safety to SS and start a lesser player at a more important position? That would be like moving Portis to FB.

The question for the coaches isn't who is the best player at free safety. IMO, the question is this ... is FS X + SS Landy > FS Landry + SS X. I don't know if we know the answer to that question. I like Doughty, but I'm not 100% convinced that he is a better SS than a guy like Schweigert is at FS. Nor am I 100% certain that Laron is better at SS than FS.

saden1 · 06-04-2008, 01:30 AM

I would rather have Landry as free safety. The way he played filling in for ST was unbelievable. Those two picks in the playoffs against the Seattle were spectacular and I hope to god he plays FS.

Luxorreb · 06-04-2008, 04:56 AM

Atleast it's not #31 Roy Williams!
Great signing IMO.

Defensewins · 06-04-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The question for the coaches isn't who is the best player at free safety. IMO, the question is this ... is FS X + SS Landy > FS Landry + SS X. I don't know if we know the answer to that question. I like Doughty, but I'm not 100% convinced that he is a better SS than a guy like Schweigert is at FS. Nor am I 100% certain that Laron is better at SS than FS.

I agree we want our best players on the field at the same time. However (this reply goes to RMSkins as well) the FS position is usually the QB of the secondary. Due to the FS's vantage point of being back in the center of the formation, they see the subtle changes in the formation like if a WR lines up wider or an OL that lines up wider that can tip off a play. A really good/smart FS can make everyone else in the secondary and in turn the defense better.
Just like a good MLB like London Fletcher is the QB of the front seven. Due to a MLB's vantage point (middle of the the line 3 to 5 yds back) he can make sure our DL are in the right gaps and can detect the subtle changes in the gaps/spacing between the O-Linemen that can tip off a play. A good MLB usually calls the audibles for the front seven. Well the FS does the same for the secondary due to his location in the field.
Plus add in the FS is the last line of defense on the field. A good will FS will stop 10-15 yard gainer from becoming a really big play and TD. If the SS misses a tackle while supporting the run the FS can be be behind him to finish the tackle. I know it does not always work out that way, but that is the idea. An elite FS makes the entire defense better. We do not want to put a not so bright guy in at FS because he is a great athlete. He needs to be smart too. The FS is a thinking mans position and tries to outsmart the QB.

06-03-2008, 09:33 PM	#54
smoot27 No new threads for you Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 51	Re: Stuart Schweigert a Redskin I want him to start , he seems like a cool guy who just needs a true chance. And i believe by the regular season will see STU as our new FS and that could seattle the 09 needed safety problem. .......but could be a pipe dream.

06-04-2008, 01:30 AM	#58
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,734	Re: Stuart Schweigert a Redskin I would rather have Landry as free safety. The way he played filling in for ST was unbelievable. Those two picks in the playoffs against the Seattle were spectacular and I hope to god he plays FS. __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

06-04-2008, 04:56 AM	#59
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 1,601	Re: Stuart Schweigert a Redskin Atleast it's not #31 Roy Williams! Great signing IMO. __________________ GO SKINS!!! ^21^

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