Backup center discussion

ecupirate08 · 06-12-2008, 12:39 PM

samuels was the #3 pick in the 2000 draft... i dont think he was ever "written off"... buges is a good coach but no one can do much with "damaged goods", but hell id take bentley for the right price.

RedskinMike · 06-12-2008, 01:05 PM

Lecharles Bentley pre-injury was very, very good. Thats why he got that huge contract. Then got hurt on the first day of camp and never played a down for the Browns. A vet minimum contract would be all I would be willing to risk. With two knee injuries I don't think he will ever get back to form again. The reason he asked to be released was so he could start. The browns had already gone in another direction. I don't think he would sign here just to be a backup.

GMScud · 06-12-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinMike

Lecharles Bentley pre-injury was very, very good. Thats why he got that huge contract. Then got hurt on the first day of camp and never played a down for the Browns. A vet minimum contract would be all I would be willing to risk. With two knee injuries I don't think he will ever get back to form again. The reason he asked to be released was so he could start. The browns had already gone in another direction. I don't think he would sign here just to be a backup.

Finally! I was wondering when someone would say it.

GMScud · 06-12-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My take is why create a controversy when there's no glaring need at center?

We need a backup, not another starter.

I agree that Rabach is the unquestioned starter at C, regardless of who we bring in. Casey is quietly one of the best, most consistent centers in the league, and he's great in the locker room.

SmootSmack mentioned he heard part of the reason LeCharles asked out of Cleveland was because he wanted to play guard. Pete Kendall is 35. He's still good, but if Bentley really wants a shot at guard we'd be foolish not to give him a look. SS, any confirmation on this? I couldn't find anything about it.

Also, I have a question- he still has 4 years left on a 6 yr $36M deal. What happens to that since he was released? Does the team who picks him up have to pick up his contract as well? If so, I imagine he'll have to restructure that deal to find work....

freddyg12 · 06-12-2008, 01:31 PM

Anyone that knows better, correct me if I'm wrong. the waiver process is such that teams are essentially in line to claim players just as they are in the draft. If that's true, there will be 20 or so teams w/a chance to get him before us. that's the reason we traded a 7th to Minn, so the teams before us couldn't get Erasmus James.

I would doubt we get a chance at him on waivers & seriously doubt we'd try to trade for him as we did w/Minnesota when we had them pull James from the waiver wire.

If however, he's available to us, that would be a sign that no one else wanted him due to his injury history, or because he's not likely to challenge for a starting spot. If he does fall to us, he's worth a shot, but only if he understands the starting C position is taken. It's a long shot for him to come to dc though.

sandtrapjack · 06-12-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

Anyone that knows better, correct me if I'm wrong. the waiver process is such that teams are essentially in line to claim players just as they are in the draft. If that's true, there will be 20 or so teams w/a chance to get him before us. that's the reason we traded a 7th to Minn, so the teams before us couldn't get Erasmus James.

I would doubt we get a chance at him on waivers & seriously doubt we'd try to trade for him as we did w/Minnesota when we had them pull James from the waiver wire.

If however, he's available to us, that would be a sign that no one else wanted him due to his injury history, or because he's not likely to challenge for a starting spot. If he does fall to us, he's worth a shot, but only if he understands the starting C position is taken. It's a long shot for him to come to dc though.

You are correct, but Bentley was not waived he was released. There is a difference actually.

When a player is waived, then the remaining 31 teams, in the same order as the draft have the option of signing the player that was waived. The thing is when you sign a player that was waived, you also inherit his contract he had with the team that waived him.

However, when given their outright release (such as Bentley), the draft order does not come into play and the player is free to negotiate with any team in the league.

Step cautiosly with Bentley. I am sure he will get a call. There will be a team with a training camp injury or something and there will be a need and his phone will ring.

But expect a heavily loaded back-ended contract where he is concerned. Small money at the start for certain. There is no question on his talent, none on his desire. The biggest question mark is 2 years without lining up over center. His health is a major concern.

So with a heavy back-ended deal, he is provded the chance to prove his health at minimal risk to the club. IF he is able to do that, then expect his deal to get renegotiated in the second or third year.

But he has a lot to prove health wise first and foremost.

GMScud · 06-12-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You are correct, but Bentley was not waived he was released. There is a difference actually.

When a player is waived, then the remaining 31 teams, in the same order as the draft have the option of signing the player that was waived. The thing is when you sign a player that was waived, you also inherit his contract he had with the team that waived him.

However, when given their outright release (such as Bentley), the draft order does not come into play and the player is free to negotiate with any team in the league.

Step cautiosly with Bentley. I am sure he will get a call. There will be a team with a training camp injury or something and there will be a need and his phone will ring.

But expect a heavily loaded back-ended contract where he is concerned. Small money at the start for certain. There is no question on his talent, none on his desire. The biggest question mark is 2 years without lining up over center. His health is a major concern.

So with a heavy back-ended deal, he is provded the chance to prove his health at minimal risk to the club. IF he is able to do that, then expect his deal to get renegotiated in the second or third year.

But he has a lot to prove health wise first and foremost.

Good post. I suggested he get a very average base salary, with the contract being very incentive-laden, based largely on games played.

Mattyk · 06-12-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree that Rabach is the unquestioned starter at C, regardless of who we bring in. Casey is quietly one of the best, most consistent centers in the league, and he's great in the locker room.

SmootSmack mentioned he heard part of the reason LeCharles asked out of Cleveland was because he wanted to play guard. Pete Kendall is 35. He's still good, but if Bentley really wants a shot at guard we'd be foolish not to give him a look. SS, any confirmation on this? I couldn't find anything about it.

Also, I have a question- he still has 4 years left on a 6 yr $36M deal. What happens to that since he was released? Does the team who picks him up have to pick up his contract as well? If so, I imagine he'll have to restructure that deal to find work....

Since he was released his contract with the Browns is terminated. Anyone who signs him is free to sign him to a new deal.

freddyg12 · 06-12-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You are correct, but Bentley was not waived he was released. There is a difference actually.

When a player is waived, then the remaining 31 teams, in the same order as the draft have the option of signing the player that was waived. The thing is when you sign a player that was waived, you also inherit his contract he had with the team that waived him.

However, when given their outright release (such as Bentley), the draft order does not come into play and the player is free to negotiate with any team in the league.

Step cautiosly with Bentley. I am sure he will get a call. There will be a team with a training camp injury or something and there will be a need and his phone will ring.

But expect a heavily loaded back-ended contract where he is concerned. Small money at the start for certain. There is no question on his talent, none on his desire. The biggest question mark is 2 years without lining up over center. His health is a major concern.

So with a heavy back-ended deal, he is provded the chance to prove his health at minimal risk to the club. IF he is able to do that, then expect his deal to get renegotiated in the second or third year.

But he has a lot to prove health wise first and foremost.

thanks for the clarification, I'd wondered about the use of terms, I think some people might mistakenly interchange them. I assume then that players are waived to help the waiving team w/cap relief?

Now that he's a FA I say the Skins should talk to his agent, at least see what the asking price is.

sandtrapjack · 06-12-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

thanks for the clarification, I'd wondered about the use of terms, I think some people might mistakenly interchange them. I assume then that players are waived to help the waiving team w/cap relief?

Now that he's a FA I say the Skins should talk to his agent, at least see what the asking price is.

Yeah, once waived the team gets the cap relief.

SmootSmack · 06-12-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

SmootSmack mentioned he heard part of the reason LeCharles asked out of Cleveland was because he wanted to play guard. Pete Kendall is 35. He's still good, but if Bentley really wants a shot at guard we'd be foolish not to give him a look. SS, any confirmation on this? I couldn't find anything about it.

Best I could find

Burress is one of many players unhappy with current deal

"Bentley would prefer to play guard, but could play center just as easily."

That Guy · 06-13-2008, 05:31 AM

still think he'd be worth a look if possible.

SmootSmack · 07-23-2008, 01:30 PM

Did anyone notice that in the "Landry will stay at FS" story in redskins.com Bugel mentioned that Kendall is now the backup center?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 07-23-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Did anyone notice that in the "Landry will stay at FS" story in redskins.com Bugel mentioned that Kendall is now the backup center?

Yup. Interesting development considering how Kendall was, at least in part, really pissed at the Jets because they wanted him to take snaps at center.

BDBohnzie · 07-23-2008, 01:52 PM

I'd imagine Kendall was more pissed off about money than taking snaps...but I guess we shall see. The funnier comment was about Stephon Heyer thinking he's Tarzan now

06-12-2008, 12:39 PM	#76
ecupirate08 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 25	Re: Backup center discussion samuels was the #3 pick in the 2000 draft... i dont think he was ever "written off"... buges is a good coach but no one can do much with "damaged goods", but hell id take bentley for the right price.

06-12-2008, 01:05 PM	#77
RedskinMike Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Odenton, MD Age: 34 Posts: 286	Re: Backup center discussion Lecharles Bentley pre-injury was very, very good. Thats why he got that huge contract. Then got hurt on the first day of camp and never played a down for the Browns. A vet minimum contract would be all I would be willing to risk. With two knee injuries I don't think he will ever get back to form again. The reason he asked to be released was so he could start. The browns had already gone in another direction. I don't think he would sign here just to be a backup.

06-12-2008, 01:31 PM	#80
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Backup center discussion Anyone that knows better, correct me if I'm wrong. the waiver process is such that teams are essentially in line to claim players just as they are in the draft. If that's true, there will be 20 or so teams w/a chance to get him before us. that's the reason we traded a 7th to Minn, so the teams before us couldn't get Erasmus James. I would doubt we get a chance at him on waivers & seriously doubt we'd try to trade for him as we did w/Minnesota when we had them pull James from the waiver wire. If however, he's available to us, that would be a sign that no one else wanted him due to his injury history, or because he's not likely to challenge for a starting spot. If he does fall to us, he's worth a shot, but only if he understands the starting C position is taken. It's a long shot for him to come to dc though.

06-13-2008, 05:31 AM	#87
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Backup center discussion still think he'd be worth a look if possible. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

07-23-2008, 01:30 PM	#88
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Backup center discussion Did anyone notice that in the "Landry will stay at FS" story in redskins.com Bugel mentioned that Kendall is now the backup center? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-23-2008, 01:52 PM	#90
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 34 Posts: 4,368	Re: Backup center discussion I'd imagine Kendall was more pissed off about money than taking snaps...but I guess we shall see. The funnier comment was about Stephon Heyer thinking he's Tarzan now __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

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