Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man

Mattyk72 · 06-10-2008, 12:43 AM

Santana Moss knows what’s happened when he’s played this spot in the past: big years. The Redskins, and Moss, hope that happens again.
In the new West Coast offense, Moss will play the X, or outside receiver, position. He last played that spot during his first year in Washington. He responded with 84 catches for 1,483 yards and nine touchdowns.

He also played this spot during his third season in New York — and caught 74 passes for 1,105 yards and 10 scores.

“Those were my best seasons,” Moss said. “Hopefully I’ll do the same thing.”

Moss played the Z, or flanker, spot the past two seasons with Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd playing X. But new coach Jim Zorn wanted Moss at X.

“The group before us, they had him at flanker and motioned him down and saw him as a move guy,” Zorn said. “But I see him as a vertical threat.”
In a typical setting, Moss would be by himself on one side while Randle El and tight end Chris Cooley is on the other. Before, Moss would be paired with Cooley. Teams would double one or the other.

“Now if they double me, then you’ve got two guys one on one [on the other side],” he said. “With X, I get a lot of good opportunities.”

There will be plenty of times, in four- and five-receiver sets, that Moss will line up inside. But, for now, he’s strictly working at X. Only Randle El and James Thrash are working at multiple receiver positions.

“[Moss] has enough muscle and grit to run slants and how are you going to press him and leave that DB one on one?” Zorn said. “I’m thinking about different ways to create formations for us that will create a real uncomfortable situation for coordinators. He’s outside this play; now he’s inside; now he’s over here. What are you gonna do?”

link: Cheers & Jeers - Examiner.com

FRPLG · 06-10-2008, 12:50 AM

The key for Moss is staying healthy. Get trained right this off season and stay freakin' healthy. Getting him back outside where he can go one on one is good. I have wondered why they moved in the first place. I think we misused him under Al a lot. That is when he could be used.

Daseal · 06-10-2008, 12:58 AM

Im glad he's back out at the X -- but let's not shift all blame from Moss. He dropped a lot of very catchable balls, especially last year.

Paintrain · 06-10-2008, 01:44 AM

Moss has always struck me as a mini-diva at WR.. He's never been disruptive, that's not his style, but if he wasn't really happy or comfortable with what he's being asked to do he isn't going to yield maximum results. We could see that in the GB game with all of the drops and then pulling himself from the game. He would get visibly frustrated after plays the past 2 years. In '05 he seemed happy, had bounce and spring in his step and had a great year.. His balky leg injuries seem to be less debilitating when he's comfortable doing what he wants to do.

GMScud · 06-10-2008, 02:15 AM

I think Saunders wanted him at Z, or flanker, so he would be a few yards behind the line of scrimmage, thinking the extra space to avoid the CB jam would help. But the numbers don't lie. His two best seasons are at X (split end), when he's on the line of scrimmage close to the sideline. He's so fast out of his break, I think it actually benefits him to be closer to the CB so he can get behind them that much faster.

I've been impressed with Zorn so far. He hasn't had to handle much yet, but he's been solid thus far IMO.

chrisl13 · 06-10-2008, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

The key for Moss is staying healthy. Get trained right this off season and stay freakin' healthy. Getting him back outside where he can go one on one is good. I have wondered why they moved in the first place. I think we misused him under Al a lot. That is when he could be used.

If I can recall, I don't remember Moss being injured in '05 when he played the X. He started getting injured when he was put at the Z which requires him doing a lot of slant routes. That is probably why he was injured so much. Hopefully, with him playing the X, his injury situation will disappear. (correct me if I'm wrong)

SC Skins Fan · 06-10-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisl13

If I can recall, I don't remember Moss being injured in '05 when he played the X. He started getting injured when he was put at the Z which requires him doing a lot of slant routes. That is probably why he was injured so much. Hopefully, with him playing the X, his injury situation will disappear. (correct me if I'm wrong)

You're overthinking this one.

SouperMeister · 06-10-2008, 11:21 AM

Until the final four weeks of last season, Moss was a below average receiver, with numerous drops and key fumbles that led to losses against GB and TB. I'm hoping that he will use the poor play as motivation to bounce back as a true #1 WR.

Mattyk72 · 06-10-2008, 11:45 AM

Where he lines up doesn't have anything to do with his injuries. He's always had hamstring issues.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 06-10-2008, 02:00 PM

Injuries have def been an issue with IMO. I like the article though. It sounds kinda like what the CowPies did with TO last year, just kinda moving him around the to the best place for him to make a play.

redskinjim · 06-10-2008, 05:35 PM

i dont think moss has much confidence with the 2 new rookies getting some shots moss will play at a higher level but his conditioning has to be in question when you hear of his all night birthday party party party

Skinny Tee · 06-10-2008, 08:24 PM

If this fact is so plausible now why wouldn't the coaching staff see his poor results at Z and try to move him back to the X position?...I think this is just an offseason hype factual and won't have any basis on his performance this coming season.

I want him to do well but I don't think a magical position change is going to be the cure-all. Sounds like hopeful superstition.

GridIron26 · 06-10-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redskinjim

i dont think moss has much confidence with the 2 new rookies getting some shots moss will play at a higher level but his conditioning has to be in question when you hear of his all night birthday party party party

His off-field actions such as birthday parties does not affect Moss's physical performance.. Unless he takes some drugs such as cocaine or whatever then yes.. But I'm absolutely sure he does not.. Drinking alcohol does not affect your physical or performance on field.. (Unless he is drinking during the game lol)

Daseal · 06-10-2008, 09:22 PM

Gridiron -- ever see LT play... Cocaine might not hurt play =p

gridiron, when you're missing camp because you were hungover, that is an issue, IMO.

GridIron26 · 06-10-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Gridiron -- ever see LT play... Cocaine might not hurt play =p

gridiron, when you're missing camp because you were hungover, that is an issue, IMO.

I never knew LT took (or still takes?) cocaine? If so then I take that back.. As for the hungover situation, the camp is not mandatory as Zorn continue to repeat it when it comes to Springs.. Tell me why is this an issue? However if it was mandatory camp at this time then I completely understand ur opinion.. But it wasn't..

But that is not the point; the point is that someone said that drinking causes the injuries and that is not true..

06-10-2008, 12:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mattyk72 #21 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32,282	Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Santana Moss knows what’s happened when he’s played this spot in the past: big years. The Redskins, and Moss, hope that happens again. In the new West Coast offense, Moss will play the X, or outside receiver, position. He last played that spot during his first year in Washington. He responded with 84 catches for 1,483 yards and nine touchdowns. He also played this spot during his third season in New York — and caught 74 passes for 1,105 yards and 10 scores. “Those were my best seasons,” Moss said. “Hopefully I’ll do the same thing.” Moss played the Z, or flanker, spot the past two seasons with Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd playing X. But new coach Jim Zorn wanted Moss at X. “The group before us, they had him at flanker and motioned him down and saw him as a move guy,” Zorn said. “But I see him as a vertical threat.” In a typical setting, Moss would be by himself on one side while Randle El and tight end Chris Cooley is on the other. Before, Moss would be paired with Cooley. Teams would double one or the other. “Now if they double me, then you’ve got two guys one on one [on the other side],” he said. “With X, I get a lot of good opportunities.” There will be plenty of times, in four- and five-receiver sets, that Moss will line up inside. But, for now, he’s strictly working at X. Only Randle El and James Thrash are working at multiple receiver positions. “[Moss] has enough muscle and grit to run slants and how are you going to press him and leave that DB one on one?” Zorn said. “I’m thinking about different ways to create formations for us that will create a real uncomfortable situation for coordinators. He’s outside this play; now he’s inside; now he’s over here. What are you gonna do?” link: Cheers & Jeers - Examiner.com __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report Last edited by Mattyk72; 06-10-2008 at 12:44 AM.

06-10-2008, 12:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
FRPLG Somehow, not a mod Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,492	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man The key for Moss is staying healthy. Get trained right this off season and stay freakin' healthy. Getting him back outside where he can go one on one is good. I have wondered why they moved in the first place. I think we misused him under Al a lot. That is when he could be used. __________________ Let's roll.

06-10-2008, 12:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Posts: 6,674	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Im glad he's back out at the X -- but let's not shift all blame from Moss. He dropped a lot of very catchable balls, especially last year. __________________ Apparently not having unrelenting optimism means you're not a fan.

06-10-2008, 01:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Paintrain The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 1,871	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Moss has always struck me as a mini-diva at WR.. He's never been disruptive, that's not his style, but if he wasn't really happy or comfortable with what he's being asked to do he isn't going to yield maximum results. We could see that in the GB game with all of the drops and then pulling himself from the game. He would get visibly frustrated after plays the past 2 years. In '05 he seemed happy, had bounce and spring in his step and had a great year.. His balky leg injuries seem to be less debilitating when he's comfortable doing what he wants to do. __________________ Jason Campbell 8/7/08-"I'm just going to go out and have a Pro Bowl-type season and let everything ride." I love it!

06-10-2008, 02:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
GMScud Premium On Points Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,805	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man I think Saunders wanted him at Z, or flanker, so he would be a few yards behind the line of scrimmage, thinking the extra space to avoid the CB jam would help. But the numbers don't lie. His two best seasons are at X (split end), when he's on the line of scrimmage close to the sideline. He's so fast out of his break, I think it actually benefits him to be closer to the CB so he can get behind them that much faster. I've been impressed with Zorn so far. He hasn't had to handle much yet, but he's been solid thus far IMO. __________________ SEC Football -Unlike any other. GO GATORS! "We applied for a job at Giant and couldn't get it because we can't sack groceries." -Greg Blache I feel better now knowing that I am a loser with no self control. -Sponsered by Angry Last edited by GMScud; 06-10-2008 at 02:16 AM.

06-10-2008, 11:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
SouperMeister The Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,617	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Until the final four weeks of last season, Moss was a below average receiver, with numerous drops and key fumbles that led to losses against GB and TB. I'm hoping that he will use the poor play as motivation to bounce back as a true #1 WR.

06-10-2008, 11:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mattyk72 #21 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32,282	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Where he lines up doesn't have anything to do with his injuries. He's always had hamstring issues. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

06-10-2008, 02:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
JGisLordOfTheRings The Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 1,549	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Injuries have def been an issue with IMO. I like the article though. It sounds kinda like what the CowPies did with TO last year, just kinda moving him around the to the best place for him to make a play. __________________ One girl asked me what I would do with her if we were playing poker. She was hot and flirty. I told her that I would figure out her tendencies and start manipulating bet sizes to get all her money. I still don't completely regret my answer.

06-10-2008, 05:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
redskinjim Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: fresno ca Posts: 133	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man i dont think moss has much confidence with the 2 new rookies getting some shots moss will play at a higher level but his conditioning has to be in question when you hear of his all night birthday party party party

06-10-2008, 08:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Skinny Tee Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: City of Manassas, Virginia Posts: 496	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man If this fact is so plausible now why wouldn't the coaching staff see his poor results at Z and try to move him back to the X position?...I think this is just an offseason hype factual and won't have any basis on his performance this coming season. I want him to do well but I don't think a magical position change is going to be the cure-all. Sounds like hopeful superstition. __________________ Redskinsly, _________Skinny Tee_________

06-10-2008, 09:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Posts: 6,674	Re: Skins hope Moss will thrive again as their X-man Gridiron -- ever see LT play... Cocaine might not hurt play =p gridiron, when you're missing camp because you were hungover, that is an issue, IMO. __________________ Apparently not having unrelenting optimism means you're not a fan.

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