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Old 06-18-2008, 08:47 PM   #31
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This is what happens when you act like an asshole and throw money around like a fool at a club! What a Jerkoff! Is this surprising at all to anyone? I hope this bum is broke after football...

You wish you could act like this??? Dude, you deserve an ass beating too!
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Old 06-18-2008, 11:00 PM   #32
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This is what happens when you act like an asshole and throw money around like a fool at a club! What a Jerkoff! Is this surprising at all to anyone? I hope this bum is broke after football...

You wish you could act like this??? Dude, you deserve an ass beating too!
Um...ok? I meant I wish I had an extra $25k lying around that I could drop on bottles of champagne...
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Its because normal people don't have $100 dollar bills to throw away.

Look, I believe everyone is entitled to a good time as long as it doesn't break any laws, or hurts anyone. The guy went to Vegas. Not to sit on his ass in a hotel room and watch TV, but to go out and have fun. If this is his way of doing so, then so be it.

You are allowed to go out to clubs and do as you please without anyone harassing you because you aren't a target, a guy like him is. Does that take away from his right to spend money as he wishes and spray the crowd with Dom P? No.

Finally, I went to school in DC where shootings occurred at clubs on more than one occasion. Did that stop me from going out? No.

I think y'all are being to hard on the guy. Athletes go out to clubs and bars all the time, and incidents don't occur. J. Walk was unlucky, and I think its unecessary for you guys to say that these guys should stay home or stay away from dangerous places (where isn't dangerous nowadays?) so stuff like this won't happen
Let me ask you this. If you owned an NFL team would you invest 27- 30 mil. over 3 years on Javon Walker? I'm not saying you have to stay home. But I'm not investing in a guy that can't stay away from the nightclub scene.
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Let me ask you this. If you owned an NFL team would you invest 27- 30 mil. over 3 years on Javon Walker? I'm not saying you have to stay home. But I'm not investing in a guy that can't stay away from the nightclub scene.
I think that's missing the point of this debate, though. Some people are acting as if Walker deserved this or brought it on himself. That's the debate.

To answer your question: No way in hell. I would be pretty pissed if I was the Raiders, but (as a fan) I still feel sorry for the guy and don't think he deserved it. Also, I don't know that I would have spent that kind of money on him in the first place...
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Let me ask you this. If you owned an NFL team would you invest 27- 30 mil. over 3 years on Javon Walker? I'm not saying you have to stay home. But I'm not investing in a guy that can't stay away from the nightclub scene.

If I was an NFL owner, I wouldn't value J Walk at as much as the Raiders paid him. It has nothing to do with this incident, but rather the guy's production. Reports are saying that he should be good for the start of training camp, so no hurt, no foul to the Raiders. Walker is still the victim
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It's somewhat scary that some people believe that stupidity should be punished by a severe beatdown. That is kind of like saying people who don't use their seatbelts deserve to be ejected from their vehicles. Javon may have used poor judgment, but that doesn't mean he deserved to have his face smashed.
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I went to the link that was posted of the video of him squirting people down and I liked this story.

Laxative-Laced Cake Makes For Bad Senior Prank

They baked a cake for the teachers and put laxative in with the mix. The sad part is now they face criminal charges. Can't the school just scare the kids about not graduating or not letting them perticipate in their graduation instead of calling the cops.
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I think its a humanity issue. People become critics on certain issues once they aren't involved. So statements like, I don't feel sorry for him are used because they believe that athletes should use the example of one person in one incident to manipulate the way they run their lives.

Athletes are just like us, except they have a little bit more money. Don't hold them to a standard that you yourself don't uphold.

Example, how many car accidents have occurred on highways. Using y'alls logic, smart people shouldn't drive on highways, because people die there all the time.

Give the guy a break
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I think its a humanity issue. People become critics on certain issues once they aren't involved. So statements like, I don't feel sorry for him are used because they believe that athletes should use the example of one person in one incident to manipulate the way they run their lives.

Athletes are just like us, except they have a little bit more money. Don't hold them to a standard that you yourself don't uphold.

Example, how many car accidents have occurred on highways. Using y'alls logic, smart people shouldn't drive on highways, because people die there all the time.

Give the guy a break
Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.
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I certainly don't think Javon deserved to be beaten and robbed. But he put himself in a situation that exponentially increases the chances for all kinds of trouble to occur. He's nearly 30 years old and has been in the NFL for years. If he has half a brain he knows damn well that NOTHING good comes from drinking in clubs till sunrise and flashing wads of cash and jewelry. Players get in trouble all the time due to events surrounding this kind of stuff. Hell he even witnessed a teammate's murder out in front of a club after a night of partying. His decision to expose himself in this way shows massively poor judgment in my opinion. I'm glad he wasn't permanently injured and will make a full recovery in time for training camp, but I don't really feel sorry for him.
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Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.

As you stated, he has a right to walk into any establishment he choses. He chose a bar. You have the right to go out and enjoy yourself without fearing harassment.

If we're going to condemn Walker for going out, wearing expensive jewelry that his earned money paid for, and buying thousands of dollars worth of champagne, that his earned money paid for, then where does it end? Darrent Williams wasn't draped in jewelry, but he was targeted, Sean Taylor was asleep in his house, but he was targeted, and Javon Walker was targeted as well. The point Im making is, its not a matter of where these athletes go versus where they don't go, they will be targets as long as they are earning millions and there are envious people out there that want a piece.

Javon Walker could've gone to that club in a tee and some jeans, once he was recognized, he became a target. Nothing he could do about it.
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As you stated, he has a right to walk into any establishment he choses. He chose a bar. You have the right to go out and enjoy yourself without fearing harassment.

If we're going to condemn Walker for going out, wearing expensive jewelry that his earned money paid for, and buying thousands of dollars worth of champagne, that his earned money paid for, then where does it end? Darrent Williams wasn't draped in jewelry, but he was targeted, Sean Taylor was asleep in his house, but he was targeted, and Javon Walker was targeted as well. The point Im making is, its not a matter of where these athletes go versus where they don't go, they will be targets as long as they are earning millions and there are envious people out there that want a piece.

Javon Walker could've gone to that club in a tee and some jeans, once he was recognized, he became a target. Nothing he could do about it.
Exactly. Therefore, as targets, they need to take every step possible to minimize their chances of becoming victims of this kind of stuff. No one said he doesn't have a right to buy jewelry and champagne and party like a rock star in a club. But is it smart? Hell no. Like I said, this type of behavior draws unnecessary attention and drastically increases the chances of a bad incident.
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Exactly. Therefore, as targets, they need to take every step possible to minimize their chances of becoming victims of this kind of stuff. No one said he doesn't have a right to buy jewelry and champagne and party like a rock star in a club. But is it smart? Hell no. Like I said, this type of behavior draws unnecessary attention and drastically increases the chances of a bad incident.
He draws attention to himself by being an athlete regardless of whether he has on a million dollars worth of jewelry or not.
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He draws attention to himself by being an athlete regardless of whether he has on a million dollars worth of jewelry or not.
You're missing my point. Yes, his status and salary in itself draw attention. But don't you see that going out with a huge knot of cash, flashy jewelry and having a champagne-spraying contest in a club till 630AM draws totally unnecessary attention?? My point is this- knowing you're a star athlete in today's culture, you need to take every precaution to avoid standing out as a target. He's a fool for acting this way, even though he has every right to do so.
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You're missing my point. Yes, his status and salary in itself draw attention. But don't you see that going out with a huge knot of cash, flashy jewelry and having a champagne-spraying contest in a club till 630AM draws totally unnecessary attention?? My point is this- knowing you're a star athlete in today's culture, you need to take every precaution to avoid standing out as a target. He's a fool for acting this way, even though he has every right to do so.
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as you point out, he has every right to do so. This is America, and philosophically, we have the freedom to go anywhere, and do anything we want within the law.
In reality, it might cost you...................it cost him.
With the things that are going on with athletes today, common sense must enter into the picture, or it might cost you......it cost him.
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