Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas

skinsfan69 · 06-19-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

It's somewhat scary that some people believe that stupidity should be punished by a severe beatdown. That is kind of like saying people who don't use their seatbelts deserve to be ejected from their vehicles. Javon may have used poor judgment, but that doesn't mean he deserved to have his face smashed.

I don't think anyone is saying he deserved the beatdown. The guy could've been killed. But like I said, you wouldn't see Jason Campbell spraying a nightclub crowd with Dom P. at 4am. Why would you spray a crowd of strangers with Dom P? I have some pretty expensive shirts and I wouldn't like that one bit. Now I wouldn't fight the guy or anything like that. But I could see someone getting very very upset about something like that.

I hope the guy is OK but Javon Walker has some serious growing up to do.

SBXVII · 06-19-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

He draws attention to himself by being an athlete regardless of whether he has on a million dollars worth of jewelry or not.

Thank You. You said it right there. I doubt people were lining up to beat him down just because he was a Pro Football player. I doubt someone said "Hey, look who it is.....lets kick his ass." Unless they lost a lot of money on a game because it is Vegas right.

I think we can all agree he has a right to go out and do the things he did. Except for the spraying part. That could be construed as acting disorderly which is a finable offense. Other then that he was fine. However, what some of us are trying to say is it was not good judgement carrying a load of money and the expensive jewelry. If there are creatons in society (which I believe we all know there is) then you take steps to protect yourself and your property.

How many of you have kids that leave expensive personal items ie: cell phones, I-Pods, and PSP's in there book bag outside of their locker during gym class and refuse to use the locker because it takes time to open only to have the item stolen? I can't expect to put a $100 dollar bill at the end of my driveway (even though I have a right to) and not have it stolen.

He's making millions. You mean to tell me he can't use a credit card. cut down on his chances of someone seeing the cash and wanting to jump him.

People take chances all the time. Sky divers take chances the parachute will not open. but by packing the chute themselves they are taking steps to ensure it's packed right and should open. In some states you have a right to not wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle but the chances are greater that if you get into a accident you will have a head injury.

Jamaican'Skin · 06-19-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

You're missing my point. Yes, his status and salary in itself draw attention. But don't you see that going out with a huge knot of cash, flashy jewelry and having a champagne-spraying contest in a club till 630AM draws totally unnecessary attention?? My point is this- knowing you're a star athlete in today's culture, you need to take every precaution to avoid standing out as a target. He's a fool for acting this way, even though he has every right to do so.

I don't see how that adds attention to him. If I see a pro athlete in any setting, in todays society, I'm automatically assuming that he has money, whether I see a wad of hundred dollar bills or not. And I am not alone in my assuptions. He took a risk by leaving his hotel room that night. So whether or not he was flashing 3grand around or not, he was going to be a target.

I think the problem that I am having with most of your arguments is that you guys are blaming his behavior for the predicament he got into. I think it has more to do with his status.

Dave Chapelle did a skit a while back, after he signed the major contract with Comedy Central. The skit showed Dave in different situations such as a barber shop, and at a mechanic. Just as he got to each scene and was about to pay, the news came on speaking about the amount of money he signed on for, and the other characters in the sketch automatically drove up the price of each service ridiculously and threatened him to pay. It was a pretty funny skit, but the point is with media such as ESPN broadcasting how much these athletes make whether or not they walk around with money in their pockets or not, they are targets.

I completely agree that these athletes should take every precaution to ensure their own safety, but that can only go so far. If someone wants to set you up to take a percentage of the millions that you're making, they can find a way to do it. To me, saying that him spraying the crowd with Dom P or waving his money around played an integral role in him getting robbed and assaulted is an excuse. It had more to do with who he was than what he was doing

GMScud · 06-19-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

I don't see how that adds attention to him. If I see a pro athlete in any setting, in todays society, I'm automatically assuming that he has money, whether I see a wad of hundred dollar bills or not. And I am not alone in my assuptions. He took a risk by leaving his hotel room that night. So whether or not he was flashing 3grand around or not, he was going to be a target.

I think the problem that I am having with most of your arguments is that you guys are blaming his behavior for the predicament he got into. I think it has more to do with his status.

Dave Chapelle did a skit a while back, after he signed the major contract with Comedy Central. The skit showed Dave in different situations such as a barber shop, and at a mechanic. Just as he got to each scene and was about to pay, the news came on speaking about the amount of money he signed on for, and the other characters in the sketch automatically drove up the price of each service ridiculously and threatened him to pay. It was a pretty funny skit, but the point is with media such as ESPN broadcasting how much these athletes make whether or not they walk around with money in their pockets or not, they are targets.

I completely agree that these athletes should take every precaution to ensure their own safety, but that can only go so far. If someone wants to set you up to take a percentage of the millions that you're making, they can find a way to do it. To me, saying that him spraying the crowd with Dom P or waving his money around played an integral role in him getting robbed and assaulted is an excuse. It had more to do with who he was than what he was doing

I agree with most of what you're saying. But come on. What draws more attention to your status/salary- walking incognito into a club with, as you said, a tee shirt and jeans, having a few drinks and leaving, OR flashing your money, your jewelry, and making huge scene by spraying everyone with expensive alcohol? To me it's a total no brainer. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a target without doing all that, but he's obviously drawing a massive amount of attention to said status/money by acting that way. It's a fact. He put himself at a much greater risk with his actions. It's pretty difficult to argue that. Don't you think there were plenty of people in that club who didn't recognize him until he started spraying the crowd??

You said it was his status, not his behavior. Well, my argument is his behavior drew totally unnecessary extra attention to his status. Pretty hard to disagree with that.

djnemo65 · 06-20-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.

LOL, highway driving is BY FAR safer than driving on surface streets. Highway Driving Safety (Cars: Road Rules)

So much for trusting your common sense.

Mattyk · 06-20-2008, 07:42 AM

The attack on Walker may have happened regardless of his behavior and appearance that night, but I find it hard to believe that his flashing of expensive jewelry and spraying of champagne didn't at least contribute to bringing extra attention to himself and therefore making him more of a target than he already was. To think that it had nothing to do with it is pretty naive IMO.

Jamaican'Skin · 06-20-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The attack on Walker may have happened regardless of his behavior and appearance that night, but I find it hard to believe that his flashing of expensive jewelry and spraying of champagne didn't at least contribute to bringing extra attention to himself and therefore making him more of a target than he already was. To think that it had nothing to do with it is pretty naive IMO.

So you're saying I'm naive for believing that his status played a bigger role in him getting robbed and assaulted than his behavior did? I don't think. I just believe that it is another way of looking at the situation.

I can agree with you all that his behavior may have contributed to the situation, but I beleive that his status played a bigger role. I've been out to clubs, and have seen people in the VIP section acting similarly, yet none of them get hurt. Why? Beacause nobody knows who these guys are. They work the whole week at a 9 to 5, or hustle on street corners, or whatever they do to get income, and want to enjoy themselves on the weekend. They replicate Javon's actions, and are not assaulted when leaving the scene. The major difference between these guys and Javon is his multi million dollar contract. Thats the way I see it.

Mattyk · 06-20-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

So you're saying I'm naive for believing that his status played a bigger role in him getting robbed and assaulted than his behavior did? I don't think. I just believe that it is another way of looking at the situation.

I can agree with you all that his behavior may have contributed to the situation, but I beleive that his status played a bigger role. I've been out to clubs, and have seen people in the VIP section acting similarly, yet none of them get hurt. Why? Beacause nobody knows who these guys are. They work the whole week at a 9 to 5, or hustle on street corners, or whatever they do to get income, and want to enjoy themselves on the weekend. They replicate Javon's actions, and are not assaulted when leaving the scene. The major difference between these guys and Javon is his multi million dollar contract. Thats the way I see it.

No, that's not what I said.

I said if you think his spraying of champagne and flashing of jewelry had nothing to do with it then you are naive.

You seem to acknowledge now it had something to do with it, but his status played a larger role.

Maybe it did, I'm just saying his actions brought more attention to himself. Attention that you don't need as a high profile celeb.

If he had stayed low key in the club he might have been better off, that's all I'm trying to say.

Hog1 · 06-20-2008, 09:09 AM

AND, it may happen all the time to the SMO just blowin' off steam in the VIP section. It's not news and we will not hear about it.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 06-20-2008, 10:54 AM

I haven't followed this very closely, but one thing seems very apparent. If you are going to blow $ 25K on Dom to spray people with at a club, why the heck can't you pay $ 1K a piece to a couple of Kimbo-type dudes to watch your back. Or put each one on payroll at $ 100K / yr.

Not sure if Mayweather or anyone in his group was responsible for this, but Walker was found alone so I am assuming he didn't have any of his own "back-up". Even Pac-man has enough sense to travel with a group of people.

Hog1 · 06-20-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I haven't followed this very closely, but one thing seems very apparent. If you are going to blow $ 25K on Dom to spray people with at a club, why the heck can't you pay $ 1K a piece to a couple of Kimbo-type dudes to watch your back. Or put each one on payroll at $ 100K / yr.

Not sure if Mayweather or anyone in his group was responsible for this, but Walker was found alone so I am assuming he didn't have any of his own "back-up". Even Pac-man has enough sense to travel with a group of people.

I was thinking some of the same thing.
When was the last time you (or typically anyone) really had a big night of bar hoppin', and partying ALL
NIGHT................alone?? I, like most have had some of these nights (albeit on the cheap by comparison). It is always done in a group. No fun alone. What's the deal?

jdlea · 06-20-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I was thinking some of the same thing.
When was the last time you (or typically anyone) really had a big night of bar hoppin', and partying ALL
NIGHT................alone?? I, like most have had some of these nights (albeit on the cheap by comparison). It is always done in a group. No fun alone. What's the deal?

I believe he was out with Floyd Mayweather...at least that's my understanding of the situation, I could be wrong

Hog1 · 06-20-2008, 12:17 PM

Well, whatever the circumstance, it's a shame

12thMan · 06-20-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Even Pac-man has enough sense to travel with a group of people.

By the way, it's Adam Jones now. He has officially dropped Pac Man going forward.

SBXVII · 06-20-2008, 07:43 PM

[quote=djnemo65;453594]LOL, highway driving is BY FAR safer than driving on surface streets. Highway Driving Safety (Cars: Road Rules)

So much for trusting your common sense.[/quote

Ok, most accidents occur within 5 miles of your residence also. So...common sense would tell you that if you make it past the 5mile mark your almost home free.....except for those living within 5 miles of where your driving. lol. I know it made no sense. lol.

I'm sure those statistics are correct only because no one lives right on the highway ie I95 as opposed to say RT1 or Rt66. What I was getting at was I avoid the highways on say days that traffic is high. A simple look at the high way prior to getting on lets you know maybe it's not a good idea to chance fate and be among the mass. If its not that busy then take the highway. All I'm saying is use common sense.

I also am saying it was his actions that brought the attention. If I were at the club I doubt I would have noticed who he was unless someone pointed him out and even then I am considerate enough not to bother people who are trying to have a nice night out. But...if I had champaign sprayed on me and I had gotten wet I think I would have been upset. I would not have beat him up though. but it certainly would have brought the attention he was seeking.

06-20-2008, 07:42 AM	#51
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,653	Re: Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas The attack on Walker may have happened regardless of his behavior and appearance that night, but I find it hard to believe that his flashing of expensive jewelry and spraying of champagne didn't at least contribute to bringing extra attention to himself and therefore making him more of a target than he already was. To think that it had nothing to do with it is pretty naive IMO. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-20-2008, 09:09 AM	#54
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,373	Re: Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas AND, it may happen all the time to the SMO just blowin' off steam in the VIP section. It's not news and we will not hear about it. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

06-20-2008, 10:54 AM	#55
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,202	Re: Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas I haven't followed this very closely, but one thing seems very apparent. If you are going to blow $ 25K on Dom to spray people with at a club, why the heck can't you pay $ 1K a piece to a couple of Kimbo-type dudes to watch your back. Or put each one on payroll at $ 100K / yr. Not sure if Mayweather or anyone in his group was responsible for this, but Walker was found alone so I am assuming he didn't have any of his own "back-up". Even Pac-man has enough sense to travel with a group of people. __________________ ...[If] an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything]....you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

06-20-2008, 12:17 PM	#58
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,373	Re: Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas Well, whatever the circumstance, it's a shame __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

06-20-2008, 07:43 PM	#60
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas [quote=djnemo65;453594]LOL, highway driving is BY FAR safer than driving on surface streets. Highway Driving Safety (Cars: Road Rules) So much for trusting your common sense.[/quote Ok, most accidents occur within 5 miles of your residence also. So...common sense would tell you that if you make it past the 5mile mark your almost home free.....except for those living within 5 miles of where your driving. lol. I know it made no sense. lol. I'm sure those statistics are correct only because no one lives right on the highway ie I95 as opposed to say RT1 or Rt66. What I was getting at was I avoid the highways on say days that traffic is high. A simple look at the high way prior to getting on lets you know maybe it's not a good idea to chance fate and be among the mass. If its not that busy then take the highway. All I'm saying is use common sense. I also am saying it was his actions that brought the attention. If I were at the club I doubt I would have noticed who he was unless someone pointed him out and even then I am considerate enough not to bother people who are trying to have a nice night out. But...if I had champaign sprayed on me and I had gotten wet I think I would have been upset. I would not have beat him up though. but it certainly would have brought the attention he was seeking.

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