Judge Sides With Redskins in Team Name Suit

firstdown · 07-16-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacobylookalike

RE: SC Skins Fan;456632

Thank god there is a person of intelligence and rational thought out there. Most of the morons who post on this site cite a procedural ruling as vindication for just cause. 'Hell, YA!' 'were right because they filed too late!'

Regardless of whether the team name is racist, it is, there seems to be a point to the longevity of the trademark that mums the overt in racism. I suggest change the spelling of the name to Wredskins and change the logo away from the war chief head. Even the Neanderthals can understand this.

How is the use of the name Redskin racist? Maybe offensive! I guess I'm one of the morons that your speaking about.

mredskins · 07-16-2008, 01:13 PM

Thank god no one has every called me a Jacoby look a like!

Eknox · 07-16-2008, 02:52 PM

Yo, I hear a bunch of Lions, Bears,Falcons, Eagles and Tigers have decided the team names are offensive and decided to fight it out in court....lol

Schneed10 · 07-16-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eknox

Yo, I hear a bunch of Lions, Bears,Falcons, Eagles and Tigers have decided the team names are offensive and decided to fight it out in court....lol

I don't know why, but that tickled me.

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-16-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eknox

Yo, I hear a bunch of Lions, Bears,Falcons, Eagles and Tigers have decided the team names are offensive and decided to fight it out in court....lol

I think the Superchargers have the best case.

724Skinsfan · 07-16-2008, 04:50 PM

No, the Cowboys do. The logo on Houston's helmet is a steer. We all know the only two things that come from Texas are steers and [rhymes with jeers] so it unfairly stereotypes them.

Pardon the offense if taken...

itvnetop · 07-16-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't believe this is the case. From the Univ. of Penn study referenced: "Annenberg polled 768 Indians in every state except Hawaii and Alaska from Oct. 7, 2003, to Sept. 20, 2004. The survey found little disparity between men and women or young and old. However, 13 percent of Indians with college degrees said the name is offensive, compared with 9 percent of those with some college and 6 percent of those with a high school education or less. Among self-identified liberals, 14 percent found the term disparaging, compared with 6 percent of conservatives."

There is not a "total opposite" shift in opinion with college educated Native Americans.

I'm interested in seeing this study... I'd also like to see the breakdown in tribal percentages and such (was one tribe represented more than another, etc). Also, was the poll regarding the term "redskins" or just NA mascots, in general?

I have to go back into my university's database to find my earlier research sources, but I remember numbers that wholeheartedly contradict the 9-13 percent found in both this Annenberg poll and an SI poll (conducted with half the sample size a year earlier). The percentage of college mascots and images that have been transformed or removed altogether dwarfs their professional sports counterparts. The NCAA has started to crack down because the activism is coming directly from college campuses.

Post article on polls

This article even shows how several polls reveal totally opposite results within a NA sample (not exclusively activists, either). One polls contradicts the other with entirely flip-flopped percentages. I'm guessing methodology (sample selection, survey language, etc) varied immensely between the Annenberg/SI polls and the Indian Country poll.

You can't discount cultural factors, as well. Rob Schmidt (who represents activism through his comics... much like Aaron McGruder does with "Boondocks") states, "Native people are known for not trusting Anglos and not speaking openly to them in initial encounters. What steps did Harris Field Center take to overcome this propensity? Can Harris assure us the Native people questioned said what they really think? That they didn't say mascots are okay to avoid 'making waves'?"

I believe polls surveying opinion/emotion have much higher probability of flawed methodology and possibly bias (the way a question is loaded has everything to with results), as opposed to polls based on hard numbers like scores, salaries, etc. Here's a link to a number of educational research based on scientific methodology regarding this very issue (skip the APA statement and go to the citations for the actual studies):

APA Resolution

itvnetop · 07-16-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

This has been a fruitful discussion and I have enjoyed it.

As have I. Cheers, mate.

Skinsfan1967 · 07-16-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

There are plenty of people with Nordic ancestry around, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian and many other. I've never heard one complaint of being offended by the Viking name. Plenty of Irish around, and the "Fighting Irish" has often been mentioned as a veiled reference to the "drunk Irishman" sterotype. No Irish are compaining about ND. Those were just a couple that came to mind quickly. There are other many other team names/mascots people could find offensive.

Actually some more background so you don't think I'm "pissing in your water". The Boston Braves came from the old Duluth Eskimos, who were bankrupt (I guess that team name was offensive too). Marshall wanted to distinguish his team from the Boston Braves baseball team, but keep with the same Indian theme. This was also an honor to his new coach William "Lone Star" Dietz, a full blooded Indian who played with Jim Thorpe at Carlisle. The team moved from Braves Field to Fenway Park and changed the name to Redskins.

For the record, my wife has Indian ancestry in her background and has no problem with the team name, should we include her in the survey too?

The nickname for the team in Carlisle was, by no coincidence, the Indians.

firstdown · 07-17-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

I'm interested in seeing this study... I'd also like to see the breakdown in tribal percentages and such (was one tribe represented more than another, etc). Also, was the poll regarding the term "redskins" or just NA mascots, in general?

I have to go back into my university's database to find my earlier research sources, but I remember numbers that wholeheartedly contradict the 9-13 percent found in both this Annenberg poll and an SI poll (conducted with half the sample size a year earlier). The percentage of college mascots and images that have been transformed or removed altogether dwarfs their professional sports counterparts. The NCAA has started to crack down because the activism is coming directly from college campuses.

Post article on polls

This article even shows how several polls reveal totally opposite results within a NA sample (not exclusively activists, either). One polls contradicts the other with entirely flip-flopped percentages. I'm guessing methodology (sample selection, survey language, etc) varied immensely between the Annenberg/SI polls and the Indian Country poll.

You can't discount cultural factors, as well. Rob Schmidt (who represents activism through his comics... much like Aaron McGruder does with "Boondocks") states, "Native people are known for not trusting Anglos and not speaking openly to them in initial encounters. What steps did Harris Field Center take to overcome this propensity? Can Harris assure us the Native people questioned said what they really think? That they didn't say mascots are okay to avoid 'making waves'?"

I believe polls surveying opinion/emotion have much higher probability of flawed methodology and possibly bias (the way a question is loaded has everything to with results), as opposed to polls based on hard numbers like scores, salaries, etc. Here's a link to a number of educational research based on scientific methodology regarding this very issue (skip the APA statement and go to the citations for the actual studies):

APA Resolution

Dude, you made this so technical you took the fun out of talking about it.

rypper11 · 07-17-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Following the death of JKC, the skins were put up for sale.

If it were such a big deal, how come there were no casino owning tribes that stepped up to bid?

They could've changed the name themselves.

Nobody who owns a casino or other gambling venture is allowed ownership of an NFL team.

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jgalecpa · 07-17-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

Nobody who owns a casino or other gambling venture is allowed ownership of an NFL team.

SPORTSbyBROOKS » Casino Owner Forced To Sell His Share Of Texans

Good point.

Thanks.

J-Dawg.

PS Go Skins.

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