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Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

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View Poll Results: With Phillip Daniels done for the season what should the Redskins do?
Trade for Jason Taylor 43 62.32%
Sign a free agent DE 16 23.19%
Nothing and hope a backup can step up 10 14.49%
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:34 PM   #61
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

how about a rotation between wilson and evans ? i don't mind the skins getting taylor, i just don't want them to give too much up to get him. is a rotation between those two guys really that much of a drop off from daniels ? daniels definately had the experience but his skill level was not that impressive, imo.
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:35 PM   #62
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Smoot also was hurt. Lets trade for Jason Taylor, with us being in need I think if we can get away with just one 1st its a coup for our front office.
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:54 PM   #63
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Wow. Hope Smoot is ok. But 2 DEs out for the year on the FIRST DAY? Oy.

From JLac:

Buzbee Out for Season; Smoot Hurt

Jason La Canfora calls this in from the field:

Alex Buzbee, who was hurt 30 minutes into the afternoon practice, has a ruptured right Achilles' tendon and will miss the season, obviously. He will have surgery tomorrow.

Starting corner Fred Smoot was receiving medical attention after being hurt in an 11-on-11 drill in the 3 p.m. practice. He was hurt on the far side of the field and the nature of his injury wasn't readily apparent. He was quickly surrounded by teammates and medical personnel; he was walking gingerly while being supervised by the medical staff. The injury appeared to be to his left ankle or foot and his left shoe was off.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:06 PM   #64
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Wow 2 DEs are down, the #2 CB is hurt, and Rogers is recovering from an ACL injury. Well, it looks like everything is normal around Redskins Park.

I'd be fine with trading a 3rd rounder for Taylor and would feel slightly uncomfortable with trading a 2nd rounder. I would be absolutely opposed to any deal which offers Miami a 1st rounder, whether straight-up or based upon certain conditions being met (unless we give up a first in the event the Redskins win the Super Bowl).
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:07 PM   #65
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

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I'm fine with a 2nd rounder.

Hopefully we can re-work his deal to make it a bit more cap friendly.
I'm not fine with a second rounder. That's your most valuable (cap-friendly) pick in the entire draft.

I can see the need for Jason Taylor here, but just because Daniels is out doesn't mean it makes anymore sense than it did yesterday. Taylor is an upgrade on Daniels obviously, but where are we going to be when we are ready to compete in a year or two: with Jason Taylor's contract, probably significantly less production, and without the player we would have gotten with that pick.

No one is giving more than a 4th for Taylor, so match the best offer they have, and if they want more, tell them we're interested in other options.

It's a buyer market, so the overcompensation angle is pretty "throwback" of us, and I don't mean that in a good way.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:21 PM   #66
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

I don't really mind the compensation, my concern is more how long will Taylor be playing for us. If he's really only going to play one more year, then its not really worth trading a pick for the guy. I'd much rather go with what we have on hand and scour the waiver wire as opposed to trading any draft pick for one or two years of Jason Taylor. Just glancing at our roster we need to hold on to draft picks and build for the future, Taylor would be nice but mortgaging the future for the now is just not sound to me.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:25 PM   #67
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

More from JLac (hope Smoot is back soon!):

Cerrato on J. Taylor; Injury Updates

Jason La Canfora calls in trade and injury updates from the field:

Vinny Cerrato was asked about defensive end trade talk -- concerning the Miami Dolphins' Jason Taylor or other -- and said:

"We haven't talked to anyone yet on anything."

Now, as for the injuries that predicated this talk, Phillip Daniels, who was hurt in the morning practice, will undergo surgery to repair his torn left anterior cruciate ligament Friday.

Alex Buzbee, who was hurt 30 minutes into the afternoon practice, has a ruptured right Achilles' tendon and will miss the season, obviously. He will have surgery Monday.

Starting corner Fred Smoot sprained his left ankle in the afternoon practice, during an 11-on-11 drill. Coach Jim Zorn said he's hoping Smoot will be out less than a week.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:27 PM   #68
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

From the skins.com blog:

Here’s the official tally:

Phillip Daniels, torn ACL, out for the year.

Alex Buzbee, ruptured Achilles, out for the year.

Fred Smoot, turned ankle, mild sprain, dramatic throwing of his shoe when it happened, not expected to miss too much time at all.

Vinny Cerrato says that the team is bringing back Jonathan “J.T.” Mapu, who they released a few days ago, as well as bringing in an unnamed veteran. He obviously couldn’t address the Jason Taylor rumors, so that’s what they remain for now.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Taylor really wants to be an actor, and certainly the discussion between the two teams is probably circling around the assumption that Taylor is done after 2008. In that case, we're going to come out of this ahead: the Dolphins have no need for Taylor in a rebuilding year, and we won't have a need for an elderly Taylor in a year or two when we address it in the draft.

With Buzbee and Daniels BOTH down, we have to go get someone. Right now, we have Evans, Carter, Wilson, and Erasmus James, but with Wilson's limitations and James' health, another veteran body is a must.

Still, as long as we don't negotiate as if Jason Taylor is already a Redskin (meaning we give up a top three pick), we should come out on top.

I'm okay with throwing in a clause that allows a 4th round pick to become a 3rd rounder if Taylor plays in 16 games for us, but I'm also okay if this doesn't get done at all.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:28 PM   #70
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

John Clayton just said on ESPN that he wouldn't be surprised if a deal would be done for Jason Taylor in less than 24 hours. I don't think the Tuna will let twinkle toes go for less than a secound rounder...
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

I like bringing back JT Mapu, but he's a DT. As far as Vinny's denial it means nothing, he isn't going to report on any potential trade, especially in a deal with a guy who hates leaks as much as Tuna. It will be interesting to see if the deal gets made, we're definitely in the market for a DE so our bargaining position is automatically weakened.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:41 PM   #72
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I'm betting by late Monday, it's a done deal. The Skins could throw in a player to sweeten the pot.
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:19 PM   #73
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

unless they can get jason taylor to sign a 3 or 4 year contract extension,they should'nt trade for him.he's stated he only is gonna play 1 more year and it would be dumb to trade away a pick for just 1 season for anybody.
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:21 PM   #74
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Taylor is underszed for what we need him to do.
I wouldnt offer anything better than a 5th rounder for him.
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:24 PM   #75
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Taylor is underszed for what we need him to do.
I wouldnt offer anything better than a 5th rounder for him.
Huh? Taylor is a bona-fide defensive end. Every down, I might add.

Look, this guy isn't going to come here and have 20 sacks. But he could have 12.
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