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Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

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View Poll Results: With Phillip Daniels done for the season what should the Redskins do?
Trade for Jason Taylor 43 62.32%
Sign a free agent DE 16 23.19%
Nothing and hope a backup can step up 10 14.49%
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:36 PM   #76
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Glazer on Fox is reporting we're about to deal a 2nd rounder to Miami for Taylor:

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Redskins agree to terms on deal for Taylor
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Comcast is reporting that the trade is complete.

2nd rounder for JT.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

I would have held for a 3rd, but what the hey.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

We're really bad at this trading thing.

At least we acquired a quality player.
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JT is better than Daniels. Let's hope he's still got something in the tank. I worry about his motivation, but hopefully Blache will light a fire under his ass.

Carter and Taylor as bookends is not bad in the short term. Let's hope Vinny can get the pick back one way or another.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Looks like we threw in a 6th rounder in 2010. From JLac:

Posted at 6:41 PM ET, 07/20/2008
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Vinny Cerrato just announced the Skins acquired Pro Bowl DE Jason Taylor from Miami for a second round pick in 2009 and a sixth round pick in 2010.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:48 PM   #82
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JT is better than Daniels. Let's hope he's still got something in the tank. I worry about his motivation, but hopefully Blache will light a fire under his ass.

Carter and Taylor as bookends is not bad in the short term. Let's hope Vinny can get the pick back one way or another.
Not at strong-side DE he's not. Not many successful 255 lb Strong-side DEs.

We're in a bind but, I'd rather have done 3rd & 6th, or look elsewhere.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:51 PM   #83
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True--wonder how they'll work it? JT on the strong side on passing downs? Demetric against the run?

I meant the guy was the NFL defensive player of the year in 2006--he adds quality on the D line.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

Anyway, though today's events we're certainly unfortunate, it's one thing to preach depth, ignore your defensive lines on draft day, and have confidence in your backup players. It's something completely different to say you have confidence in guys like Evans and Wilson, and then freak out and pay a premium for Jason Taylor.

Between now and draft day 2009, we're going to be very happy with this deal. I just want to make a note today: it's going to hurt us more in the long run than it helps us now. I do think Taylor is going to do a lot of things this year to make us forget how much we paid for him, but a second rounder is a lot.

I would have given Evans and Wilson a shot to combine to hold down the fort. Veteran depth is pretty cheap if you don't go top rung.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

apparently a lot of people here don't realize the drop off here between every-down average daniels and our crap situational depth...

EJ is good (and by good i mean average when/if ever healthy), but that's it. we don't need another season of warrick holdman like defensive play.

get taylor, get him cheap, since he wants to win, wants to retire and will give us a good year, which is all we need. before now i would have said no, but we took a shot where we couldn't afford one.

a 2nd rounder is robbery, but they had us at gunpoint :/

we need 2-3 years at good contract/performance to make good on it.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

More from JLac--Taylor will play on the left, AND (according to Vinny) play more than one year. Wonder how Vinny is so sure of that?

Skins Trade For Jason Taylor

Vinny Cerrato just announced the Skins acquired Pro Bowl DE Jason Taylor from Miami for a second round pick in 2009 and a sixth-round pick in 2010.

The Skins assume the final two years of Taylor's contract as is, Cerrato said. Taylor has talked about playing just one more season before leaving the NFL for Hollywood, but Cerrato, Washington's executive VP of football operations, said, "I'm 100 percent confident he'll play more than one year.".

Cerrato said he began talking to the Dolphins this afternoon, following Washington's second practice. He said immediately after practice that the Redskins had had no contact with other teams about trades as of that point, so, I guess if you take him at his word this deal came together in like 90 minutes.

Cerrato said the season-ending injuries to starting left end Phillip Daniels and reserve end Alex Buzbee forced Washington to exhaust all options. He said Taylor will move to the left side with Washington - he played right end in Miami - and Andre Carter will remain the starting right end.

"We're fortune there is a guy of that caliber on the market when a guy gets hurt," said Cerrato.

Taylor is a former NFL player of the year who brings elite pass rushing skills, something sorely missing on this line for years (though Carter had a strong season in 2007). Defensive line has long been an area of concern for Washington.
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True--wonder how they'll work it? JT on the strong side on passing downs? Demetric against the run?

I meant the guy was the NFL defensive player of the year in 2006--he adds quality on the D line.
I would assume there will be a bunch of rotations trying to create mismatches. We might see JT at DT, same side as A.Carter, for a different look on passing downs. GB is going to need some smoke and mirrors up front, but he's a DL coach so if anyone can work it out, he can.
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Daniels is a year and a half older than Taylor; Jason will turn 34 just before opening day.
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Re: Phillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)

He's a high quality defensive end, and he's proven able to play the run and the pass. If one of our defensive tackles can command a double team, then the rest of the line is singled up and we should be fine.

I like it, we now have two pass rushers on the line, two 10 sack guys which should raise the level of play for everyone.
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Not at strong-side DE he's not. Not many successful 255 lb Strong-side DEs.

We're in a bind but, I'd rather have done 3rd & 6th, or look elsewhere.
don't let his weight fool you, he really is incredibly strong.
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