Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

Mattyk72 · 07-21-2008, 12:16 AM

The idea of Carter and Taylor coming off the edges... wow I'm super pumped right now.

GTripp0012 · 07-21-2008, 12:30 AM

It's going to be great if we can get 10 point leads into the second half. That was actually a pretty significant problem last year.

The pass rusher is sort of like the bullpen in baseball. Having it is always a weapon, but it really earns its pay when the game is being won late.

Mattyk72 · 07-21-2008, 12:33 AM

And it doesn't hurt on those 3rd and longs when you need that extra pressure.

Mattyk72 · 07-21-2008, 12:37 AM

I wonder what # he's going to take. I doubt AC is gonna give up #99.

GMScud · 07-21-2008, 12:44 AM

Taylor coming off the left side is exciting. He's used to the right end spot, but the three other QBs in the division are all right handed throwers. Our D has been 9th or better 3 out of the last 4 seasons, and that's with basically no backside QB pressure. Now we get fierce pass rush from both sides. He and AC bookending that line is gonna be fun to watch. This is a great move for us, especially if he plays two seasons. (btw Taylor hasn't missed a start this decade).

SmootSmack · 07-21-2008, 12:44 AM

Well our pass rush certainly has improved with the addition of Taylor. Still, definitely feel bad for Daniels, an underappreciated run-stopping DE whose career may have just ended considering his age; and Buzbee a local kid trying to make it in the league.

This isn't a dumb move by any means by the front office, considering the cards they were dealt. But someone will have to step up on the run defense. Evans?

skinsfan69 · 07-21-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Daniels' injury could be a blessing in disguise.

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

GMScud · 07-21-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 81forHOF

I really like this move but do have a couple of concerns.

I was reading an article earlier today on the Redskins official site that said that Zorn's practices were going to be more up tempo and have more contact, especially in the trenches. I just hope that these 2 very early injuries are just a fluke and there are not more to come. I don't know much about NFL practices but maybe it is better to ease into full pads with contact. On the other hand, I have always liked coaches who work the players hard.

I also worry about stopping the run. How nice would it be to still have Wynn right now?

All in all, I think this is going to make our entire D a LOT better.

Well, today's practices were half-pads, and apparently PD just got his leg tied up with someone on the line. I don't think practice intensity had much to do with his injury, especially on the very first play. And Buzbee's ruptured achilles occurred without contact while he was just backpedaling, so that's definitely a fluke.

That being said, I hope Zorn and Co. use this as an opportunity to explain to the players how critical it is to stay well hydrated, stretch thoroughly, and to properly communicate each and every physical issue that comes up to the doctors/training staff in order to receive proper treatment. Taking care of their bodies is absolutely mandatory. Fluke injuries occur, but you can cut down the likelihood by taking good care of yourself and paying attention to your body.

skinsfan69 · 07-21-2008, 12:52 AM

What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?

Mattyk72 · 07-21-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How?

Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.

Mattyk72 · 07-21-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?

He's not even healthy enough yet. He was never looked at as being an immediate solution anyway.

SmootSmack · 07-21-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction

GMScud · 07-21-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

Mattyk72 · 07-21-2008, 01:05 AM

Seems kinda funny that we had just enough cap room to fit JT and the move came together so quickly.

Hmmmmmm....

The Goat · 07-21-2008, 01:06 AM

Is there really cause for concern about the run defense? I'm sure JT's stats on run stoppage aren't stellar, but that was as a weak-side DE where you don't see much help and you're job is to focus on getting to the QB.

I also started to wonder whether it's set in stone that JT will get moved and not AC. Who's the bigger man? AC is listed as 252 on the redskin homepage and JT is listed as 255 elsewhere, but I thought I remembered Andre as heavy as 270 during his career. Maybe I'm way off here.

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07-21-2008, 12:16 AM	#61 (permalink)
Mattyk72 custom user title Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 33,228	re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) The idea of Carter and Taylor coming off the edges... wow I'm super pumped right now. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

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GTripp0012 Jason Campbell: Franchise QB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,977	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) It's going to be great if we can get 10 point leads into the second half. That was actually a pretty significant problem last year. The pass rusher is sort of like the bullpen in baseball. Having it is always a weapon, but it really earns its pay when the game is being won late. __________________ "It's mind-boggling to me, really. Look at the tape. Look at my impact on the game. The guys who make it are good players, and I'm not saying I'm better than all of them. But I wish people would watch the games, watch the tape." - London Fletcher on his pro bowl candidacy.

07-21-2008, 12:33 AM	#63 (permalink)
Mattyk72 custom user title Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 33,228	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) And it doesn't hurt on those 3rd and longs when you need that extra pressure. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

07-21-2008, 12:37 AM	#64 (permalink)
Mattyk72 custom user title Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 33,228	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) I wonder what # he's going to take. I doubt AC is gonna give up #99. __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

07-21-2008, 12:44 AM	#65 (permalink)
GMScud Campbell Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,284	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) Taylor coming off the left side is exciting. He's used to the right end spot, but the three other QBs in the division are all right handed throwers. Our D has been 9th or better 3 out of the last 4 seasons, and that's with basically no backside QB pressure. Now we get fierce pass rush from both sides. He and AC bookending that line is gonna be fun to watch. This is a great move for us, especially if he plays two seasons. (btw Taylor hasn't missed a start this decade). __________________ SEC Football -Unlike any other. GO GATORS!

07-21-2008, 12:44 AM	#66 (permalink)
SmootSmack Tyrell Sutton Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 21,824	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) Well our pass rush certainly has improved with the addition of Taylor. Still, definitely feel bad for Daniels, an underappreciated run-stopping DE whose career may have just ended considering his age; and Buzbee a local kid trying to make it in the league. This isn't a dumb move by any means by the front office, considering the cards they were dealt. But someone will have to step up on the run defense. Evans? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-21-2008, 12:52 AM	#69 (permalink)
skinsfan69 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,262	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?

07-21-2008, 01:05 AM	#74 (permalink)
Mattyk72 custom user title Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 33,228	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) Seems kinda funny that we had just enough cap room to fit JT and the move came together so quickly. Hmmmmmm.... __________________ Warpath VIP \| Warpath Shop \| DC Pro Sports Report

07-21-2008, 01:06 AM	#75 (permalink)
The Goat Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 607	Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated) Is there really cause for concern about the run defense? I'm sure JT's stats on run stoppage aren't stellar, but that was as a weak-side DE where you don't see much help and you're job is to focus on getting to the QB. I also started to wonder whether it's set in stone that JT will get moved and not AC. Who's the bigger man? AC is listed as 252 on the redskin homepage and JT is listed as 255 elsewhere, but I thought I remembered Andre as heavy as 270 during his career. Maybe I'm way off here. __________________ I like turtles.

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