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Old 07-22-2008, 11:19 AM   #46
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Wait wait wait wait wait.. So the Taylor trade is ass-awful because we gave up 2 draft picks (spread over 2 drafts) for a perennial pro bowler who is extremely durable and fits an immediate need BUT NO giving up a 2nd and a 5th in 2009 for an injury prone malcontent who was no better than the 3rd best TE in his division is 'very fair'?!?!? Just wow.
I certainly don't think the trade is ass-awful, but I'm not doing fist pumps either. In the short-term, the trade is going to pay huge dividends for our team. Having Carter and Taylor line up is going to make our secondary look even better. Additionally, Manning and Romo seems to struggle whenever we manage to bring a nice pass-rush. While Taylor is on the downside of his career, he's still playing at a high level and should bring us an extra win or so.

BUT, I'm not terribly enthusiastic about trading a 2nd round pick for a guy that probably will play 2 seasons in DC. I don't think we got screwed, but I'm a little nervous about giving up a high pick to add another older vet to a defense that already features Shawn Springs, London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, and Cornelius Griffin.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:27 AM   #47
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Taylor has said that he will play out his 2 years. So until something changes I believe him. It's a non-issue right now to me.

Back to reality now... I'm glad that the Giants got rid of Shockey. They can say all they want that they think they are a better team without him, I think that's pure BS. They just lost one of the better TE's in the game... that's a serious downgrade talent wise to their offense. Just ask any LB in the game who he would rather cover, Shockey or Boss.

The Saints on the other hand just added a serious weapon to their offense. This is going to open things up especially for Colston. I liked the Saints to win the South before this move, now I love them.
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Sorry but I'm not giving up a high draft pick for a guy who skips workouts to go a dancing show and says he's only playing one more year. Why is that so hard for you to understand????? Cause from the looks of it a lot of the NFL GM's feel the same way I do. Otherwise someone would have already made a deal for him. Right?

Springs and Shockey are 100% commited to playing football. They haven't said they're only playing one more year. Right?? I guess that's my biggest issue. Not the dancing.
I think you should be smart enough and a fan of football long enough to know that people always say things when they want out of a bad situation (Lance Briggs-I will never play for Chicago again; Chad Johnson-ditto for Cincy). He play one more year (so might Shockey, Toomer, Springs, Portis, etc. for all we know) or he may play 5 (I'm going with 3) but I don't understand why you're so adamant about what he said several weeks back but disregard what he just said yesterday (he will play out his contract).

Parcells was asking repeatedly, particularly during the first months of free agency and around the draft, for a first-round pick (at least). That's the main reason why everyone (including the Redskins) did not budge. However, the Redskins (and I'm sure others) did the smart thing by keeping open the possibility to trade for Taylor should the opportunity and need arise. And it did.

Ideally sure something like just a 4th would have been better than a 2nd and a 6th. However, it's not a bad move for the Redskins (or the Dolphins). I just think that if you have no problem with Springs and Shockey doing their own thing in the offseason then you really shouldn't with Taylor either.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:51 AM   #49
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Sorry for taking the discussion here away from the Shockey trade.
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Ok, back in the real world.. I'd love to hear Giants fans convince me now that they are better than 3rd or 4th in the division. They lost 2 players that were top 10 at their position (Strahan & Shockey), 2 LB and a starting safety. Their star WR is upset at his contract and hardly practices anyways. Add in a Super Bowl hangover and they've got 6-10 written all over them..

It's not my job to convince you of anything.I'm pretty sure even an honest Skins fan can admit we still have a pretty good D line without Strahan ...who did platoon last year,as for Shockey we showed what we could do once he went down and that just wasn't a one game fluke,11 straight away games.Truth be told with the lack of respect people are giving the Giants ....I can see wild card all over again.This is what I like about the Shockey deal
1) No one even knows if he'll be healthy enough to play this year
2)He hasn't finished a whole season with the Giants yet
3)He a great TE.....but.selfish and not a team player
4)He's played 7 season and health wise maybe can only play a little more.
5) penalties will go down.........
6)losing him taught the team how to be a team.
7) ...and we could get a #1....LOL
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Off chance Giants could end up with Saints' first-rounder

Back in April the Giants were holding out for a first-round pick in return for Jeremy Shockey. And though it’s a longshot, they still could get one.

That’s because the second-round pick that the Saints sent to the Giants as part of the Shockey trade could end up going to the Jets as part of the Jonathan Vilma deal. And if that happens, the Saints would have to send the Giants their first-round pick in 2010 instead.

How could that happen?

Well, back in February, the Jets shipped Vilma to the Saints for a fourth-round pick in the 2008 draft and a conditional second- or third-rounder in 2009. According to the conditions of the trade, if Vilma plays in 85 percent of the defensive plays this season and signs a contract extension with the team, the ‘09 pick would be in the second round.

Since that’s the same second-rounder the Saints included in their deal with the Giants, when they agreed to ship a second- and a fifth-rounder in 2009 for Shockey, they obviously wouldn’t be able to complete that deal as is. So instead, they’d have to ship their 2010 first-round pick to the Giants.

Of course the odds of that happening are slim since the Saints control everything in that scenario. Not only could they hold back Vilma’s playing time if he approaches 85 percent, but they also could simply wait to sign him to a contract extension.

So don’t count on getting the first-rounder. But at least it’s a possibility.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:44 PM   #51
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Yeah, I'm gonna miss that look he gets on his face everytime he thinks a defender is interfering with him and in reality he's standing there crying about it while said defender has intercepted a pass and is running down the field.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:05 PM   #52
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There are a lot of LBs and Safeties in the NFCE that are happy right now.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:21 PM   #53
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It's not my job to convince you of anything.I'm pretty sure even an honest Skins fan can admit we still have a pretty good D line without Strahan ...who did platoon last year,as for Shockey we showed what we could do once he went down and that just wasn't a one game fluke,11 straight away games.Truth be told with the lack of respect people are giving the Giants ....I can see wild card all over again.This is what I like about the Shockey deal
1) No one even knows if he'll be healthy enough to play this year
2)He hasn't finished a whole season with the Giants yet
3)He a great TE.....but.selfish and not a team player
4)He's played 7 season and health wise maybe can only play a little more.
5) penalties will go down.........
6)losing him taught the team how to be a team.
I agree you're going to have a solid DL rotation like always, but you're fooling yourself if you think Strahan's not going to be missed. He made key plays at key times, that's what cannot be replaced by a solid rotation. A lot of Giants fans are happy to be 'rid' of Shockey but again, you're fooling yourself to think that Boss is a replacement. Shockey killed the Cowboys, killed the Redskins and killed the Eagles.. He seemed to play his biggest games against the NFC East, time will tell but I think he'll be missed more than G-fans think!
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Taylor has said that he will play out his 2 years. So until something changes I believe him. It's a non-issue right now to me.

Back to reality now... I'm glad that the Giants got rid of Shockey. They can say all they want that they think they are a better team without him, I think that's pure BS. They just lost one of the better TE's in the game... that's a serious downgrade talent wise to their offense. Just ask any LB in the game who he would rather cover, Shockey or Boss.

The Saints on the other hand just added a serious weapon to their offense. This is going to open things up especially for Colston. I liked the Saints to win the South before this move, now I love them.
Are you concerned at all about McAllister coming off of another knee injury and no proven #2 WR? I think they win the NFC South easily but may have some problems against strong defenses..
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I think the teams made the right decisions for themselves... I dont care what anyone does except the Skins, and as long as we are winning games, thats all I care about!
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Shockey killed the Cowboys, killed the Redskins and killed the Eagles.. He seemed to play his biggest games against the NFC East, time will tell but I think he'll be missed more than G-fans think!


I have to disagree,Shockey as an overall TE was most likely #3 his blocking is what help the Giants and I will admit Shockey has had some good games it was Tiki Barber that killed the Skins and lets not forget he did not play against the Cowgirls in the playoffs and the Eagles well the D took care of them.Look I'm not saying at some point we won't miss him but he has turned into a sour player who can't stay healthy.Yes we are better without him,kinda like TO....is he good yes ,is he a cancer yes and any team is better without him.
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I have to disagree,Shockey as an overall TE was most likely #3 his blocking is what help the Giants and I will admit Shockey has had some good games it was Tiki Barber that killed the Skins and lets not forget he did not play against the Cowgirls in the playoffs and the Eagles well the D took care of them.Look I'm not saying at some point we won't miss him but he has turned into a sour player who can't stay healthy.Yes we are better without him,kinda like TO....is he good yes ,is he a cancer yes and any team is better without him.
You make the TO analogy, what has SF or Philly done without TO? While he's a colossal pain in the ass, he's also a helluva player...

I'm glad he's out of the division, Kevin Boss doesn't scare me one bit, but we'll see what happens!
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Are you concerned at all about McAllister coming off of another knee injury and no proven #2 WR? I think they win the NFC South easily but may have some problems against strong defenses..
They just got their #2 receiving threat.

David Patten quietly had a pretty good year for them too.

Their running game is a concern but I think they'll have enough to win that division.
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You make the TO analogy, what has SF or Philly done without TO? While he's a colossal pain in the ass, he's also a helluva player...
............those teams feel they are better without him,he's a helluva ass.Would the Skins fans want him?
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They just got their #2 receiving threat.

David Patten quietly had a pretty good year for them too.

Their running game is a concern but I think they'll have enough to win that division.
I've also been hearing that Robert Meachem is making some pretty great strides.

I'll say this, while I'm not the biggest fan in the world of the Saints receivers, don't be shocked if a rotation of Patten/Meachem/Henderson/Adrian Arrington becomes good enough for them to win a lot of games with Colston and Shockey doing their thing. This move makes a lot of sense for the Saints. They add Shockey and he basically becomes their 2nd passing option and probably the most consistent game breaker they have.

That said, I still hate his attitude. I don't think it jives with what the Saints are trying to do, but maybe Sean Payton can reign him in some.
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