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Old 08-23-2004, 01:52 AM   #31
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Champ Bailey is the premier cornerback in the NFL and most of you are bitter that he spurned the Redskins this offseason and because of the things he said about the team. He is the best, hands down.
jdlea, I have to respectfully disagree about Champ being the best hands down.. As I've said many times on this subject, he didn't stop the other team from throwing to their #1 receiver, when they did throw that way he didn't make them pay for it.. Ty Law, Chris McAllister, when healthy Charles Woodson are all corners I'd take over Champ.. They make plays to change the game.. His interceptions decreased from his 1st 2 years while his passes defended remained consistent so teams were still throwing his way with the same regularity.. He has 1 career sack and 4 career fumble recoveries and 1 career TD in his rookie year. That is a good, but not great, corner in the NFL and certainly not the best.
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Old 08-23-2004, 04:41 AM   #32
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>Ty Law, Chris McAllister, when healthy Charles Woodson

don't those guys work with better D-lines??? our defense was on the field a long time each game, and our pass rush sucked, and both of those things makes corners look worse than they are...
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Old 08-23-2004, 05:45 AM   #33
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I seem to remember us having a dodgy D and an aneamic O during the Norv years. However, I still remember DG returning passes for TD's and shutting WR's down.

I'm not saying Bailey isn't good, but a shutdown corner is still a shutdown corner regardless of the rest of the D.
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Old 08-23-2004, 08:40 AM   #34
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Taylor brings an element to the D that Champ never brought, he makes plays that change the course and momentum of the game.

Champ is a top corner without a doubt, but he hardly ever made the big pick to stop a drive, or take a pick back for a TD.

Taylor has forced at least one turnover in each game so far. I know he's just a rook and he's going to have his adjustment period, but his playmaking skills have already been on full display.
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Old 08-23-2004, 09:07 AM   #35
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Taylor brings an element to the D that Champ never brought, he makes plays that change the course and momentum of the game.
I agree completely - in fact he brings several elements. Champ was weak when he had to come up against the run. Taylor is built and hits like a LB. He is a ball hawk - all over the field. And the play that amazed me the most, was Taylor staying right with Chambers, their #1 WR, all the way into the end zone. For a guy with that build, he has amazing cover skills. And lastly, he has AMAZING reflexes. did you notice how fast he grabbed that fumble off the ground? Most players don't SEE it that fast, let alone react that quickly. I know it's early and we've just seen him on the field very little, but this guy seems truely amazing.
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Old 08-23-2004, 09:49 AM   #36
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The only thing I disagree with is Champ's tackling. For a corner he was a pretty solid tackler, I know he said that he didn't like to do it, but he wasn't afraid to stick his nose in a play, not like Deion who seemed to be literally afraid of contact.

Also, comparing a safety and a corner in the tackling department really isn't fair. A safety is supposed to be able to tackle and support the run D, while a corner doesn't play into the run D as heavily as the safety.
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Old 08-23-2004, 10:49 AM   #37
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skinsrock, its 3 ints, 2ff 1 td don't go stealing his thunder
No, I think skinsrock is right. I only remember 2 INTs--both from the Denver game. Where's the third?
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Old 08-23-2004, 11:00 AM   #38
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No, I think skinsrock is right. I only remember 2 INTs--both from the Denver game. Where's the third?
That is correct.......
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Old 08-23-2004, 11:06 AM   #39
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Also, comparing a safety and a corner in the tackling department really isn't fair. A safety is supposed to be able to tackle and support the run D, while a corner doesn't play into the run D as heavily as the safety.
You make a very good point, but on the other side of that, you would not normally be comparing a safety's 1-on-1 coverage with that of a CB. But from the reports I have seen, and from the very little I have seen of his play, it seems like you CAN make that comparison. Now, I am not saying you can compare his coverage skills to Champ (of course). But, Taylor is in VERY limited company with his coverage skill. Only Rodney Harrison comes to mind in that category. As far as Champ, I feel that in 2002 he was probably the best cover man in the NFL. But his coverage dropped off significantly in 2003. I'm not sure which one was the aberration. But as far as coming up to play the run - in those situations, I believe he was below even the average CB's in the league (without comparing him to safeties). When I think about guys like Springs, Smoot, Vincent, etc, etc, it seems that most CB's would stick a runner more consistently than Champ.

In any case, this season will tell a lot. I think we will hear some major grumbling from the locker room in Denver when their running game does not stay up to the level of the last 6-7 years, and when Champ gets beaten for a TD in a losing game. With Alex Gibbs gone, they have set themselves up for some serious dissention over the trade. There were many reports of player complaints about it in the Denver paper for the 2 weeks after the trade was made. The stage is set...
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Old 08-23-2004, 11:36 AM   #40
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it wouldnt surprise me if taylor made the pro bowl this year if
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No, I think skinsrock is right. I only remember 2 INTs--both from the Denver game. Where's the third?
I thought so, but I was "playing nice" and just waiting to see if someone else piped in about it...

I know Franz had the INT against Carolina shortly after Taylor's FF...was that what you were thinking of? Anyway, that one got me thinking that Taylor can make the other safety (Bowen or whoever) and even the corners look better, because of the QB looking out for him. Kind of the same way having Lavar will make Marcus Washington perform better and make more plays(although he doesn't look too shabby on his own!).
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Old 08-23-2004, 02:56 PM   #42
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that franz pick was quite impressive
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sorry, i'm an idiot, its 2 2 and 1...
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Old 08-23-2004, 07:22 PM   #44
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save this argument for Friday night after he tacks on a few more stats. If he can make plays against holt or bruce then I will be very impressed
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Old 08-23-2004, 08:10 PM   #45
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I agree also Bailey is a real good Corner, and when he had to made the tackle. But like it was said earlier he did not come up with many big plays, like drive stopping interceptions, If I am not mistaken Smooty has led the team the last 2 or 3 years in interceptions. And I know the argument to that will be no one threw to Champ Baileys side.

Just a side not I was watching the game Denver played this past week against Seattle and Saw the great Bailey get burned by Darrel Jackson a few times, just a thought.
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