Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)

jdlea · 07-24-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Spanky

agreed. but with an asterisk: if campbell does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'the guy' this year, he does not get a contract extension, we draft another qb and have an open competition next offseason between the rookie, brennan and campbell.

personally, i think he mainly needs to improve at reading defenses. if it weren't for bad reads (which lead to interceptions) late in the games against the cowboys and the bucs, we could easily have been 11-5.

I see your point, however, the pick against the Boys I had a problem with because you can't run a fade route with Santana Moss. It was a horrible route to a small reciever. I think that his year, with some bigger recievers, those sorts of throws will start to go away.

He's going to have issues this season. He needs to progress as the year goes on, but for anyone who thinks there won't be any growing pains this year (with a new offense, head coach, O coordinator) is crazy.

J. Spanky · 07-24-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

He's going to have issues this season. He needs to progress as the year goes on, but for anyone who thinks there won't be any growing pains this year (with a new offense, head coach, O coordinator) is crazy.

absolutely. but i think there is more pressure on the defense to maintain (or, hopefully, increase) their level of play. we have too much talent on offense to be much worse than we were last year, despite growing pains. i don't think any of our starters approached their potential except cooley and randle el.

jdlea · 07-24-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Spanky

absolutely. but i think there is more pressure on the defense to maintain (or, hopefully, increase) their level of play. we have too much talent on offense to be much worse than we were last year, despite growing pains. i don't think any of our starters approached their potential except cooley and randle el.

I agree, we just have to hope that the line isn't decimated and nagging injuries to recievers. That also hurt them last season.

firstdown · 07-24-2008, 04:00 PM

I think JC is going to be OK but I'm not totaly sold on him as of right now. Can anyone tell me of a game where JC has lead a comback victory late in a game?

BleedBurgundy · 07-24-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

You mean we shouldn't expect the kind of success that Romo is having?

Not unless we have the line and receivers that Romo has at his disposal, IMO. And let's not get too crazy, Romo has been effective, but he's won exactly the same amount of playoff games as JC...

DIRTEE · 07-24-2008, 04:41 PM

After hearing Zorn's interview on Redskins.com last night, I really feel like TC is the odd man out. This is all my opinion. He really has high hopes for Derek Devine.

prinzeofmoval · 07-24-2008, 04:48 PM

this is the make or break year for Campbell in my eyes. I don't want to end up like the Bears or Tampa but he needs to step up.

Mattyk · 07-24-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I was surprised and very much against the decision at the time. In retrospect, it probably was the right decision. (Ramsey hasn't done anything to show us, the Jets or Broncos that he's starter material). He has to go down as a bust.

I'm hoping for a little leeway with JC this year. The reports I have heard out of camp so far have been less than encouraging but it's still early. The worst thing the fans can do is start clamoring for the back up before the season begins.

Honestly I think those that were surprised or against the decision probably were members of the Pat Ramsey man-crush club, either that or the Brunell haters club.

If Ramsey tore it up in the preseason and was lighting it up against the Bears in that season opener I highly doubt he would have gotten the quick hook, but we've been over this a million times so I'll drop it now.

Here's to hoping that JC never gives Zorn a reason to yank him unless it's due to injury.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 07-24-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

You mean we shouldn't expect the kind of success that Romo is having?

NO. Coaching is huge, especially for a young QB. Romo had 3 years to sit and learn from Sean Payton, who I would say is a pretty good QB coach. Plus, Romo won all kind of awards in college (DI-AA), and was highly rated every year in passing efficiency. Campbell had Bill Lazor and a bunch of turmoil on offense between Gibbs & Saunders. Give JC this year with Zorn, if he has not improved significantly by the end of the year I'm sure Zorn will "do the right thing" in the off-season.

But, I'll bet you a case of Sam Adams that Campbell will have a significantly better year than last.

freddyg12 · 07-24-2008, 07:37 PM

I'm still surprised at some of the skepticism about JC. I think he's looked quite promising from the beginning. Playing for a legendary coach that had gotten seriously conservative & almost paranoid about turnovers, might've added even more pressure. Not that he didn't gain from Gibbs, everybody did, but it probably added to the stress of the job.

I wouldn't say JC's main problem is reading defenses. I think he's shown very good awareness of the field, until his 2nd & 3rd recievers aren't open, then he panics. If he tucked it in a ran a few times (last year's dallas & TB games) we could've gotten a couple more wins.

In those games I think he showed that he struggled w/the finer details of timing in the position. Some qb's might have that more naturally, that sense of pass rush & knowing when to throw it away,etc. Most have to learn it through game experience & that's what he's been doing. I think by mid season he's due for a breakout & if the rookie wr's can chip in w/3-4 wr sets, this O could be dangerous.

J. Spanky · 07-25-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

I wouldn't say JC's main problem is reading defenses. I think he's shown very good awareness of the field, until his 2nd & 3rd recievers aren't open, then he panics. If he tucked it in a ran a few times (last year's dallas & TB games) we could've gotten a couple more wins.

that's true. but that's part of the read. he has to recognize when his receivers are covered but he has a running lane. especially in the red zone and/or with the game on the line. it takes time and i'm very confident we'll see less of those mistakes this year.

Cowell · 07-25-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Spanky

that's true. but that's part of the read. he has to recognize when his receivers are covered but he has a running lane. especially in the red zone and/or with the game on the line. it takes time and i'm very confident we'll see less of those mistakes this year.

I don't really know if we are going to see less mistakes this year... especially with the new offense being implemented. We aren't going to learn this thing just during the preseason.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 07-25-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

You mean we shouldn't expect the kind of success that Romo is having?

We should hope for that kind of success, but to expect it is wishful thinking. I hate to admit it, but Romo is one of the best QBs in the league. We got JC knowing that he was a "project." Moreover, JC has just 1 year's worth of starting experience under his belt. Finally, JC is learning his third system and is having his mechanics toyed with by yet another QB coach. So, to expect JC to come in and put up Pro Bowl stats is a little unrealistic.

I personally think that we should stick with Campbell through thick and thin this year and evaluate his progress and our options next offseason. I'm tired of going through QBs, yanking the chain, moving on, and starting all over again. Franchise QBs don't grow on trees and we should try to exercise the patience that is usually required to develop one.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 07-25-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'll bet you a case of Sam Adams that Campbell will have a significantly better year than last.

I think JC is a good QB and I want to stick by him, but I'm not 100% sure he'll look a lot better this year than he did last year. Even Zorn said he expects JC to take a season before he really nails down the offense and starts reacting instead of thinking (can't find the link right now).

LandrySlice · 07-25-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

NO. Coaching is huge, especially for a young QB. Romo had 3 years to sit and learn from Sean Payton, who I would say is a pretty good QB coach. Plus, Romo won all kind of awards in college (DI-AA), and was highly rated every year in passing efficiency. Campbell had Bill Lazor and a bunch of turmoil on offense between Gibbs & Saunders. Give JC this year with Zorn, if he has not improved significantly by the end of the year I'm sure Zorn will "do the right thing" in the off-season.

But, I'll bet you a case of Sam Adams that Campbell will have a significantly better year than last.

Can I get in on that bet, I LOVE BEER!

07-24-2008, 04:00 PM	#19
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports) I think JC is going to be OK but I'm not totaly sold on him as of right now. Can anyone tell me of a game where JC has lead a comback victory late in a game?

07-24-2008, 04:41 PM	#21
DIRTEE Special Teams Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 256	Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports) After hearing Zorn's interview on Redskins.com last night, I really feel like TC is the odd man out. This is all my opinion. He really has high hopes for Derek Devine.

07-24-2008, 04:48 PM	#22
prinzeofmoval Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 432	Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports) this is the make or break year for Campbell in my eyes. I don't want to end up like the Bears or Tampa but he needs to step up. __________________ I laugh at you Colt Brennan haters. You're the same guys who didn't wanna bench Brunell for Campbell. The tables will turn.

07-24-2008, 07:37 PM	#25
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports) I'm still surprised at some of the skepticism about JC. I think he's looked quite promising from the beginning. Playing for a legendary coach that had gotten seriously conservative & almost paranoid about turnovers, might've added even more pressure. Not that he didn't gain from Gibbs, everybody did, but it probably added to the stress of the job. I wouldn't say JC's main problem is reading defenses. I think he's shown very good awareness of the field, until his 2nd & 3rd recievers aren't open, then he panics. If he tucked it in a ran a few times (last year's dallas & TB games) we could've gotten a couple more wins. In those games I think he showed that he struggled w/the finer details of timing in the position. Some qb's might have that more naturally, that sense of pass rush & knowing when to throw it away,etc. Most have to learn it through game experience & that's what he's been doing. I think by mid season he's due for a breakout & if the rookie wr's can chip in w/3-4 wr sets, this O could be dangerous.

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