Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


It's time to sit Coles...

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-23-2004, 08:39 AM   #1
Pro Bowl
 
Beemnseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Virginia Beach
Age: 40
Posts: 5,293
It's time to sit Coles...

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting really tired of hearing about Laveranues Coles getting nicked and banged up in each preseason game. My heart always races when I see him catch the ball in a meaningless exhibition when everybody already knows what he's capable of.

Seriously, Coles doesn't need to prove nothin' to nobody. Can we all agree on that?

So why not sit him for the final two preseason games, get all the reps he needs in practice, and be totally fresh for the first regular season game?

Who's with me?
Beemnseven is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 08-23-2004, 08:44 AM   #2
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,058
Not to be a smartass or anything, but with this logic we should sit the whole team and forfeit the last two preseason games.

I know what you're saying Beems, but if the coaches and team doctors don't have a problem with him playing who's to say he shouldn't be out there getting the reps? Why should we put Coles above anyone else on the team?
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 08:55 AM   #3
Playmaker
 
illdefined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 38
Posts: 2,631
Coles isnt fragile, it's his toe injury everybody is worried about. he's already conceded to play with it all year.

while i agree that we should reduce the chance of him aggravating it every week, there's a whole new quarterback and passing system this year, and a whole new chemistry has to be developed. Coles has to practice the new playbook. Brunell and Coles have to learn each other out. Ramsey may have been here last year, but he has to learn himself out in this new system, then reacquaint himself with Coles in it. its not just about talent, its all about TIMING. and you can never practice that 'enough', you have to keep at it until it becomes second nature for it to be effective.

i say limit the routes that aggravate his toe, like sudden Ins and Outs, limit his vulnerability over the middle, but still get him some reps with the new guy and new system. save the painful stuff for real games.

i'd like to leave Lavar out another game or two though. his position isn't as symbiotic with other positions as QB+WR, and we can groom Pierce and Washington even further while resting that knee. man what a scare.
illdefined is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 09:21 AM   #4
Pro Bowl
 
Beemnseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Virginia Beach
Age: 40
Posts: 5,293
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72
Not to be a smartass or anything, but with this logic we should sit the whole team and forfeit the last two preseason games.

I know what you're saying Beems, but if the coaches and team doctors don't have a problem with him playing who's to say he shouldn't be out there getting the reps? Why should we put Coles above anyone else on the team?
No, that logic does not follow. Coles is the most explosive player on this team. If something happens to him, our passing game takes a serious hit, and there's no one who can match his game breaking abilities at the wide receiver position. The rest of the team needs the game experience, Coles does not.

He's coming off a serious toe injury, a sore hamstring, bruised shin, and bruised ribs.

I stand by my argument. Get fresh for the Bucs, and get those injuries healed.
Beemnseven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 09:32 AM   #5
Playmaker
 
illdefined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 38
Posts: 2,631
everyone has sore muscles and bruised bones from PRACTICE, let alone preseason games. and he's not coming off that toe injury, thats gonna be there the whole year.

again, its not about how talented Coles is, its about learning his QBs tendencies, when to turn around and expect the ball to be there, where to option when the play breaks down, this isnt about physical ability, its about time on the field and in game situations. if he's wearing down, then maybe rest him during practice, but our entire passing apparatus has to really develop more under the lights..
illdefined is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 09:44 AM   #6
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,058
I agree with Ill, there are reasons Coles needs to be out there. A new starting QB, a new offense, all of that requires timing, game timing not practice timing.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 10:25 AM   #7
Camp Scrub
 
oldswill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: rochester, ny
Posts: 45
sometimes players don't always reveal the whole truth about there condition to team docs. the coaches and docs need to know what the player is capable of so they can tell if that player is playing up to speed. that would hard for coach to tell, being new to the team and all but how about the docs. are they new to the team too? and does anybody know how they rate with other team docs?
__________________
"Gibbs thinks I'm a machine." Portis joked
oldswill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 10:29 AM   #8
The Starter
 
EEich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bristol, CT
Age: 50
Posts: 1,001
Arrington is nicked up too... He's our most explosive defensive player. If something happens to him, our defense takes a serious hit. There's no one that can match his pass-rushing abilities at any position. Do you think we should sit him for the last two pre-season games?

Is this argument significantly different?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beemnseven
No, that logic does not follow. Coles is the most explosive player on this team. If something happens to him, our passing game takes a serious hit, and there's no one who can match his game breaking abilities at the wide receiver position. The rest of the team needs the game experience, Coles does not.

He's coming off a serious toe injury, a sore hamstring, bruised shin, and bruised ribs.

I stand by my argument. Get fresh for the Bucs, and get those injuries healed.
EEich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 10:47 AM   #9
Playmaker
 
illdefined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 38
Posts: 2,631
it is different. while LaVar has a relationship with the other Linebackers and DBs, it's not as nuanced as the relationship between a QB and a WR. that kinda thing takes repetition, and more repetition, but introducing the xfactors that only games offer, not practice.

LaVar's ability as a pass rusher is based on his enormous talent, not on his precise one-on-one timing with another player. while the LB schemes may be new, its not clockwork, and nowhere near as meticulous.

he's played, and played well during the preseason, he's not a questionmark like our passing game is. i think he should sit out for this upcoming game, and maybe even the next one.
illdefined is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 10:58 AM   #10
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,058
While the QB-WR relationship is important, don't underestimate the importance of the LB's working together as a unit. We haven't had our starters out there together yet.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 11:09 AM   #11
Playmaker
 
illdefined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 38
Posts: 2,631
yeah man, Barrows. what's up man? this nagger is another nervous point. i really hope it's just tendonitis and not arthritis...

but word of LaVar's injury really shook me. there were some tears in there. he should recover a bit. yes, LBs need to jell too, but the LB play, and defense for that matter, has been a strong point this preseason.

our offense has been the biggest concern. we finally addressed the running game (against a shaky Miami team, mind you), but have yet to really address the passing game. a definite weak point so far this preseason. we need more reps with our first team. think Gibbs and co. would agree.
illdefined is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 11:24 AM   #12
Mr. Brightside
 
Big C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Fairfax, Virginia
Age: 28
Posts: 4,439
coles needs to play, but limit his reps, i agree with ill and matty. he is the best offensive player in my mind, better than portis, so if we do lose him it will be huge. but we do have excellent depth, and i think we could still be decent, but he needs to be out there. no one wants to see another jon jansen, but you gotta play to get better
Big C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 12:25 PM   #13
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,058
Portis is the key to this offense to me, not Coles, though I won't deny he's an important piece of the puzzle.

Portis is going to get 20-25 touches a game, where Coles will probably see 5-7.

If we had to lose one, we could get along better without Coles.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 12:29 PM   #14
Fight for old DC!
 
Redskins_P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Falls Church, VA
Age: 36
Posts: 4,085
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72
Portis is the key to this offense to me, not Coles, though I won't deny he's an important piece of the puzzle.

Portis is going to get 20-25 touches a game, where Coles will probably see 5-7.

If we had to lose one, we could get along better without Coles.

Good point Matty. This isn't the fun-n-gun anymore where Coles was the only offensive weapon we had.
Redskins_P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2004, 01:11 PM   #15
Pro Bowl
 
SKINSnCANES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New Jersey
Age: 32
Posts: 5,411
I think Coles and Portis should both just play one drive. Yes the QBs should get reps with the number one receiver, but whatever, they can do that in practice. Its more important that we see the other receivers anyways because we dotn know the order after coles.

Personally the two people that I want to see on the bench are Coles and Portis. You dont want to risk anythign with Portis, and Coles needs to rest that toe. i dotn want it sore for week one then its a bigger lingering injury throughout the season.
__________________
"I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis
SKINSnCANES is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.39532 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25