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Old 08-08-2008, 01:00 PM   #16
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2. For all the talk of us playing in the toughest division in football, we are not St. Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Last year we had 2nd half leads in ALL 6 NFC East games (and blew half of them). To further make the point, with the exception of the game in Dallas where we trailed by one at the start of the 4th quarter, we had 4th quarter in every division game.

3. We had 2nd half leads in 12 of 16 games last year and were only truly out of 1 game, New England. We have the talent to play with anybody on any given Sunday.
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:04 PM   #17
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I will not lie, I have a huge man crush on Jim Zorn.
Looks like a "Bro-mamnce" is brewing.
Must say I like what I see and hear so far. Cautiously optimistic.
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:10 PM   #18
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Why don't we just try and forget that Spurrier ever coached here.
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Why don't we just try and forget that Spurrier ever coached here.
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:09 PM   #20
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Why don't we just try and forget that Spurrier ever coached here.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:38 PM   #21
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I feel pretty good about Zorn & the team too, but to me 8-8 would be a successful 1st year for him in all fairness. It's the toughest division top to bottom, he's new, the system's new, GW's gone, etc. I think it's reasonable to feel really good about zorn while not predicting much beyond a mediocre team.

I don't know how much can be gained by comparing him to spurrier. The biggest difference is that zorn has coached for years in the nfl, just not been a head coach or OC. Spurrier's problems amounted to mgmt., he simply didn't have control & respect.

Looking back of course there were red flags w/the ole ball coach, but tell me you weren't excited when he won early? Or when we opened his 2nd year at 3-1 after beating the Pats?

At a couple points in time he had the team looking up, then as the 03 season went on they just tanked & almost seemed to give up. That can & does happen to nfl coaches w/experience too. It's entirely possible that it could happen to Zorn. I don't see that happening any time soon because the team's direction and overall stability has improved exponentially after Gibbs II, this is a much different organization than it was 5 years ago.
I think people forget that in Steve Spurrier's (and Norv Turner's) tenure in Washington, we didn't really have good teams. That tends to be crucial in how well a coach performs.

Steve Spurrier has proven to be a good coach -- in college. You don't win National Championships by being a complete idiot. To me, the Spurrier experiment just highlighted the extraordinary differences between the NFL and the NCAA. He, like many of us, never realized those differences until things began to fall apart.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:43 PM   #22
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I think we could have made agreat run last year if we could have gotten by the seabags.And yes santana moss is showing his true colors.that is why we drafted 2 wrs.he blew the big play when we were leading in the playoffs.ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS TACKLE THE GUY instead its a pick six.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:57 PM   #23
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:20 PM   #24
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I have toally erased the Spurrier era. It didn't happen.
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:30 PM   #25
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I think people forget that in Steve Spurrier's (and Norv Turner's) tenure in Washington, we didn't really have good teams. That tends to be crucial in how well a coach performs.
Could not disagree more...you forget that we were predicted to win the Super Bowl in 99, and especially 2000. Those were both Turner years.
Also, while in hindsight we understand our team was not that great during the Spurrier era, we all thought it a playoff caliber team. Problem is, like a ship without a rudder, with poor coaching means it's going no where.

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Steve Spurrier has proven to be a good coach -- in college. You don't win National Championships by being a complete idiot. To me, the Spurrier experiment just highlighted the extraordinary differences between the NFL and the NCAA. He, like many of us, never realized those differences until things began to fall apart.
Very true.


Oh, and first down...I would LOVE to forget Spurrier, could you please find some men in black de-nuerolizer for me...PLEEEEEEASE??????
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:38 AM   #26
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I think the biggest thing between the two, is Zorn knows how to handle NFL players. According to Tim Hasselbeck Spurriers biggest issue was he treated the players like grown men, they took advantage of it and it lost the locker room for him. I also think Spurrier needed to be more aggressive in acquiring talent. We had some bad players on that team. Trung Candidate as a starting RB? Shane Matthews? Considering the points he put up, his offense wasn't absolutely terrible.

I think Zorn knows the NFL, knows the players. I just want to know how he calls games and deals with the day to day responsibilities of being a head coach.
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Could not disagree more...you forget that we were predicted to win the Super Bowl in 99, and especially 2000. Those were both Turner years.
Also, while in hindsight we understand our team was not that great during the Spurrier era, we all thought it a playoff caliber team. Problem is, like a ship without a rudder, with poor coaching means it's going no where.



Very true.


Oh, and first down...I would LOVE to forget Spurrier, could you please find some men in black de-nuerolizer for me...PLEEEEEEASE??????
I agree, Turner's teams definitely were not completely lacking in talent. He had a few teams that underachieved considering the talent level. And he had a say in personnel too. Drafting Shuler was his call, so the no talent excuse doesn't really fly to me.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:13 PM   #28
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I think Zorn will do a good job and I hope he does a great job here. He definitely has shown already that he is as good as any of the other candidates. Between OTA's and pushing the rookie WR's and teaching JC I am positive not another one(even GW) could have come through any better to this point. Remember Gibbs started 0-5 his first time but I am expecting at least 3-2 or 4-1 from this team. ( As high on the Skins as I am, I just don't believe the Giants or Cowboys are going to have anywhere near the seasons they did last year, and we played even or better against them then, I just don't know where Philly will be so that may be one loss possibly)

And as for the other coaches between Gibbs 1 and Gibbs 2, they all were essential to showing Snyder what NOT to chase after.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:23 PM   #29
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After seeing the results of the first game and watching a little bit of the Bills' game, I do believe Coach Zorn belongs. He's going to have some bumps along the way, but he has re-energized this team and they some more focused than in the past. Nothing against Coach Gibbs - he is and will forever be a legend - but this team is really focused.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:48 AM   #30
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I was going to post this in the Camp Confidential thread, but I didn't feel like it was totally on topic, so I decided it deserved its own thread.

I definitely get the feeling that the Skins believe in Jim Zorn, it seems like everyone is responding to him and Cooley said that everyone believes in him.

I heard a great quote about pitching once that I think can apply to pretty much anything: "If you act like you belong, other people will start to believe you belong and then you will believe that they believe you belong." I really think that Zorn feels like he belongs in his head coaching role, I also think his players think he belongs and I don't think it will be long before the rest of the league starts to realize that he belongs.

I really don't know why, I'm normally very cautiously optimistic when it comes to the Redskins. They've broken my heart a few too many times, however, I will not lie, I have a huge man crush on Jim Zorn. I think it's because we're finally in a situation where we didn't chase the big name and make the big hire. Zorn could actually have a Bill Cowher like tenure here, he's a guy who could coach for the next 10 years and it's probably been since Norv (ugh) since that was a real possibility. Everyone knew that Marty, Spurrier and Gibbs weren't in it for the long haul.

I get all warm and fuzzy when I think about Zorn and Campbell bring back a winning tradition to back Washington. I would love to see something like 7 out of 10 years in the playoffs and a Super Bowl ring or two. I finally feel like this team has found long term solutions at HC and QB and I couldn't be more excited about that.

I want to end by saying, that I really appreciate what Joe Gibbs did for this team. While I was, overall, not too totally impressed with his tenure, one thing he did was bring back a pride to this team that I feel like was lacking under Schottenhiemer and Spurrier. Gibbs definitely turned the team around, I do wish he had been able to bring a title back to Washington, but I'm hoping Zorn can pick up where he left off and finish the job. I also love his approach to Campbell, the thought that his success is tied to Zorn and if Campbell plays poorly, it seems that Zorn will take that as a personal failure.
Great post. Count me as a believer too. The Danny clearly decided Zorn was the best guy to make Jason Campbell an elite QB. I'm very bullish on their future.
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