Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team

JoeRedskin · 08-10-2008, 12:08 PM

Actually, I thought Torrence did okay. I have been watching him a lot and he is pretty much right with his receiver causing the QB to look for other options. On the play he got beat, he had good coverage it was just a better throw.

No. He's not going to be the number 2 corner, but I am okay with him as the third or fourth corner.

Tryon's a rookie and not a superstar rookie. He's gonna get beat like a drum pretty much through his first year.

rypper11 · 08-10-2008, 12:15 PM

I can't stand Tryon. I'd like to see Mason stick but his return skills aren't that good and his ST tackling still needs work. I think we keep 6 corners and 4 safeties until Carlos is at full strength then we go with 5 corners. I want to keep 4 rb's and might need the spot. Under that scenario, keep Rogers, Springs, Smoot, Torrence and either Richardson or Holt (put on Tryon on PS and see if his playing level catches up to his talking level). Safeties Landry, Doughty, Horton and Fox (Moore on PS).
BTW, the competition at WR is over IMO. I know that a lot of people on here are in love with Mix but I think McMullen is showing the potential the Eagles saw a few years ago and he's ready to break out. Unless Thomas or Kelly go on IR (would the NFL let you put someone on IR before the season for a strain?) the top six are set.
I think Chris Wilson is gone too because with Carter and Taylor you really don't need a pass rushing specialist that can't tackle or turn a running play back inside.

rypper11 · 08-10-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Hamilton played like an animal. He had the hit of the game, causing a fumble. Dont get me wrong, I dont know if he played his position well, but he made some nasty hits.

I think he is great in zone coverage, would be good on kick off coverage teams and really is a sound hitter. Not sure how he covers in man though.

SmootSmack · 08-10-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

GMScud · 08-10-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.

I'd love to see McMullen make it as the last WR. Mix has bruised ribs now, and McMullen has looked better thus far. At this point I'd say he's definitely the front-runner to be the last WR to make the 53-man. He's relatively local being a UVA guy too. I'm pulling for him. Plus he's an Eagles cast-off so I'd like to see him contribute just to rub it in.

rypper11 · 08-10-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

Good point, but I think McMullen didn't apply himself before because he thought he was great and didn't need to put in the extra work to raise his game to NFL standards. For what it's worth, I think he has a lot of improvements he could still make and for the first time realizes how much work an NFL player must put in. Don't forget, the Giants thought Mix had maxed.

GMScud · 08-10-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

Good point, but I think McMullen didn't apply himself before because he thought he was great and didn't need to put in the extra work to raise his game to NFL standards. For what it's worth, I think he has a lot of improvements he could still make and for the first time realizes how much work an NFL player must put in. Don't forget, the Giants thought Mix had maxed.

In listening to Joey Sunshine and Mike Patrick last night (BIG grain of salt), they seem to think McMullen has realized this may be his last real shot in the NFL, and he's seriously stepped up every aspect of his game. I hope he's right. He's definitely more talented than Mix, he's just never lived up to his potential or draft status.

GTripp0012 · 08-10-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Sure, all corners are going to be beaten. One of the things you look for is who they're matching up against, and who beats them. Leigh Torrence is particularly troubling. This is a third-year veteran who was actually called upon in the regular season last year. So he's not just training camp fodder. He was beaten by a rookie second round pick for a touchdown last night.

Some might say, 'no big deal, it happens to everybody.' But that's a play Torrence has to win. I suppose I'm willing to give Tryon more of a pass because he's just out of college.

Bottom line is that the guys competing for the nickel corner position so far haven't done much to make a case for themselves.

On the play in question, Torrence had the coverage exactly where you teach it. Hardy has a height advantage on him, but more accurately, Losman's throw was just perfect to the inch. That pass could not have been defended without significant interference.

Tryon looked horrible at times yesterday, but he also did some good things too.

That Guy · 08-10-2008, 01:03 PM

torrence is fine, just as long as you don't let him start... ever.

as far as holding down the bills offense - you're talking about jp losman and trent edwards... that's not exactly peyton manning or tom brady (the peyton less colts put up 400 on us btw). torrence was the only one that really did anything redeeming (i mean, on the hardy play, he had him blanketed, but 5'9" vs 6'5" i mean, sometimes it's just not going to happen.

Mattyk · 08-10-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

On the play in question, Torrence had the coverage exactly where you teach it. Hardy has a height advantage on him, but more accurately, Losman's throw was just perfect to the inch. That pass could not have been defended without significant interference.

Tryon looked horrible at times yesterday, but he also did some good things too.

I agree on the Torrence play, it was just good execution by the Bills.

Tryon has been rough but it's to be expected from a rook.

wolfeskins · 08-10-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

torrence is fine, just as long as you don't let him start... ever.

i agree. he'll be fine as the skins 4th corner, heck, he's actually pretty good for a #4 cb.

SFREDSKIN · 08-10-2008, 01:24 PM

Torrence has had a solid camp and has impressed in games, he has been beaten a few times but who doesn't. Mason will make the team, Fincher will make the team (I've watched him and he's everywhere) Moore did ok. Tryon is having a hard time adjusting and should be given every chance till the last game. McMullen was solid. Our backup offensive line did well, especially on the last drive. It's going to be tough cutting some of these players and some will find another home with another team.

GTripp0012 · 08-10-2008, 02:06 PM

It will be interesting to see if Torrence develops. If he doesn't, a pick might need to be used next year on a nickel corner, because the Shawn Springs--release watch will start all over again.

skinsnut · 08-10-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Leigh Torrence continues to get beat, as does Tryon, and a lot of passes seem to connect around Byron Westbrook. Nobody's really standing out among these three. If you had to pick a leader here, I guess it's Tryon. I guess.
By my count, McMullen is leading Mix right now.

What games are you watching?
Tryon was the worst player game one and was pretty lame game 2.
Torrence was great game 1 and solid game 2...the TD was solid coverage.

Torrence not only makes the team, he is a lock.
I do agree that Mix has done nothing and McMullen had 1 solid game.

Tryon is definately in danger of being cut...practice squad sounds logical as no one would pick him up unless he shows significant improvement

skinsnut · 08-10-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, help me out here. I thought last week some of you were praising either Torrence or Tryon during the game? I know one was bad but the other seemed to be doing great which was a supprise to some. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm leaning towards Torrence. I think Tryon just sucked last week and some of you were saying how Torrence looked better then last yr.

If I was on something last week just remind me what it was and I'll stop. lol.

I was one of those that said Torrence looked great last week and that Tryon flat out sucked...I stand by that.

This week Torrence looked solid and though Tryon improved on "sucked" he was marginally servicable....Torrence will easily make the team, Tryon has a long way to go..it is understandable being a rookie corner and all...if he shows consistant improvement he may make the final roster...but at this point, I doubt it...I hope Im wrong...but the definately need to make room for Torrence

08-10-2008, 12:08 PM	#16
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,140	Re: Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team Actually, I thought Torrence did okay. I have been watching him a lot and he is pretty much right with his receiver causing the QB to look for other options. On the play he got beat, he had good coverage it was just a better throw. No. He's not going to be the number 2 corner, but I am okay with him as the third or fourth corner. Tryon's a rookie and not a superstar rookie. He's gonna get beat like a drum pretty much through his first year. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

08-10-2008, 12:15 PM	#17
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,217	Re: Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team I can't stand Tryon. I'd like to see Mason stick but his return skills aren't that good and his ST tackling still needs work. I think we keep 6 corners and 4 safeties until Carlos is at full strength then we go with 5 corners. I want to keep 4 rb's and might need the spot. Under that scenario, keep Rogers, Springs, Smoot, Torrence and either Richardson or Holt (put on Tryon on PS and see if his playing level catches up to his talking level). Safeties Landry, Doughty, Horton and Fox (Moore on PS). BTW, the competition at WR is over IMO. I know that a lot of people on here are in love with Mix but I think McMullen is showing the potential the Eagles saw a few years ago and he's ready to break out. Unless Thomas or Kelly go on IR (would the NFL let you put someone on IR before the season for a strain?) the top six are set. I think Chris Wilson is gone too because with Carter and Taylor you really don't need a pass rushing specialist that can't tackle or turn a running play back inside. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

08-10-2008, 01:03 PM	#24
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,616	Re: Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team torrence is fine, just as long as you don't let him start... ever. as far as holding down the bills offense - you're talking about jp losman and trent edwards... that's not exactly peyton manning or tom brady (the peyton less colts put up 400 on us btw). torrence was the only one that really did anything redeeming (i mean, on the hardy play, he had him blanketed, but 5'9" vs 6'5" i mean, sometimes it's just not going to happen. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

08-10-2008, 01:24 PM	#27
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,501	Re: Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team Torrence has had a solid camp and has impressed in games, he has been beaten a few times but who doesn't. Mason will make the team, Fincher will make the team (I've watched him and he's everywhere) Moore did ok. Tryon is having a hard time adjusting and should be given every chance till the last game. McMullen was solid. Our backup offensive line did well, especially on the last drive. It's going to be tough cutting some of these players and some will find another home with another team. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

08-10-2008, 02:06 PM	#28
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team It will be interesting to see if Torrence develops. If he doesn't, a pick might need to be used next year on a nickel corner, because the Shawn Springs--release watch will start all over again. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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