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Old 08-15-2008, 10:39 AM   #46
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Cowboys 11-5
Giants 10-6
Redskins 9-7
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:55 AM   #47
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Redskins 12-4
Dallas 10-6
Giants 6-10
Philly 4-12
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Old 08-15-2008, 11:00 AM   #48
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So it's easy to see how they might start the season strong & then falter at the end, which is actually how Coughlin teams usually play, last year being a great exception to that.
I hear you, but 11 straight road wins including the playoffs at Dallas, at Green Bay and at New England (Giants were the visiting team at the SB). Not to mention that the Giants were 0-4 against those teams in the regular season. Until they prove otherwise, I humbly give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 08-15-2008, 11:23 AM   #49
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I think the Giants could have a bad year mostly because of the typical SB hangover that most teams have. Otherwise, they are a question mark since last year they got their act together at the right time.
I'm not sure about that hangover theory. I think that usually applies to the team that loses the Super Bowl. Since 2000:
  • Rams (won SB in 1999 season), 2000 = 10-6 (opened season with six straight wins
  • Ravens (SB 2000), 2001 = 10-6
  • Patriots (SB 2001), 2002 = 11-5
  • Bucs (SB 2002), 2003 = 7-9
  • Patriots (SB 2003), 2004 = 14-2 won Super Bowl
  • Patriots (SB 2004), 2005 = 10-6
  • Steelers (SB 2005), 2006 = 8-8
  • Colts (SB 2006), 2007 = 13-3
So the average win total of the past eight Super Bowl Champions in the following year is 10.4. That is the kind of hangover I'd like the Redskins to suffer from.
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The last question is it for me, and I would answer 'no way!'

With all due respect, the rest of your post is kinda pointless. The Giants were the best team in the nfl because they won the super bowl, that's the ONLY measure we have of who's best. If what you're saying is they weren't the most talented, then I agree fully, but talent alone doesn't make a team.

I just don't think it's much worth it to point out a team's flaws after they just won the biggest game of all. It actually kinda reminds me of the 88 Skins. I remember so many fans talking about how that team wasn't that good, could only win in a strike year, etc. Fact is they won & won big. The Giants didn't win w/that kind of margin but they beat arguably one of the greatest teams the league has seen in many years. No need to debate whether they "deserved" to win or not.
First of all, I never said they didn't deserve to win. I merely pointed out that they weren't the best team last season. Disagree all you want, in my opinion, the best team doesn't win the Super Bowl every season. It takes a lot: peak at the right time, make the plays when you need to make them, etc. I'm not trying to take the trophy away from the Giants, but if they play 10 times, the Patriots probably win 9. The Giants were better on that day and fortunately for them that's the one that counts. That's the one that won the trophy and that's the one that put them in the history books, but they IMO the better team lost the Super Bowl this year.

NOTE: I have to qualms about saying that the Patriots beat the Rams when the Rams were better them the year that the Pats won their first title. This isn't all a shot at the Giants, I just don't buy that they're going to be that great this season.

EDIT: To add to that, I don't feel like single elimination can ever measure "who is the best." However, single elimination is by far the most entertaining form of tournament so the best playoffs are single elimination tournaments. Most of the time, the best team will win the majority of games that they play a lesser team, the best way to measure the best team would be to have them play a series IMO.
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Old 08-15-2008, 12:22 PM   #51
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This is all based on our offense gelling and the NFC EAST truly being the best division.
(and my Skins bias of course!)

Skins 13-3, losing to New Orleans early, Dallas at Dallas, and New York at home after 2 emotional wins

Dallas 11-5 with losses to Cleveland on opening day and Green Bay, NYG at NY, THE SKINS AT FEDEX, and Pittsburgh

Giants and Phi both at 10-6 with the Giants getting in when Phi loses to Dallas and the Giants beating Minnesota on the last weekend.
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Old 08-15-2008, 12:52 PM   #52
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I hear you, but 11 straight road wins including the playoffs at Dallas, at Green Bay and at New England (Giants were the visiting team at the SB). Not to mention that the Giants were 0-4 against those teams in the regular season. Until they prove otherwise, I humbly give them the benefit of the doubt.
I'll preface this comment by saying that I still think the Giants are a better team than they were in the regular season last year, and they are more talented than the Redskins.

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compliment them on a 7-1 regular season road record, when their home record was only 3-5. Obviously, that's a fluke. Good teams can win consistently on the road, and the Giants are certainly a good team, but universally, it is considered easier to win games at home than on the road. 5 losses at home is a lot for any team that wants to make the playoffs, and it certainly wasn't a good trend.

The 10 game road winning streak also comes with a small asterisk. First of all, the second win in that streak was played at "Giants Stadium," which is hardly a road game at all. 4 weeks later, they got a win over the Dolphins at a neutral field, at Wembley Stadium in London. Sure, they're on the road, but so is their opponent, and there is no HFA.

When you look at how poorly that team was playing in December, it's a minor miracle they won ten games and made the playoffs. Then to go on that type of mistake free offense, dominant defense playoff run? We've never seen anything like it, and IMO, those road wins in the playoffs gave credence to a fluky trend because the team looked really good on a national stage. NFC East fans do know otherwise.
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:27 PM   #53
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I'll preface this comment by saying that I still think the Giants are a better team than they were in the regular season last year, and they are more talented than the Redskins.

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compliment them on a 7-1 regular season road record, when their home record was only 3-5. Obviously, that's a fluke. Good teams can win consistently on the road, and the Giants are certainly a good team, but universally, it is considered easier to win games at home than on the road. 5 losses at home is a lot for any team that wants to make the playoffs, and it certainly wasn't a good trend.

The 10 game road winning streak also comes with a small asterisk. First of all, the second win in that streak was played at "Giants Stadium," which is hardly a road game at all. 4 weeks later, they got a win over the Dolphins at a neutral field, at Wembley Stadium in London. Sure, they're on the road, but so is their opponent, and there is no HFA.

When you look at how poorly that team was playing in December, it's a minor miracle they won ten games and made the playoffs. Then to go on that type of mistake free offense, dominant defense playoff run? We've never seen anything like it, and IMO, those road wins in the playoffs gave credence to a fluky trend because the team looked really good on a national stage. NFC East fans do know otherwise.
Awesome post! Well said.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:29 PM   #54
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Redskins:16-0
Giants:2-14
Eagles:1-15
Cowpokes:0-16

This isn't going to happen(except for the Redskins hopefully) but it would be nice to see it happen, wouldn't it?
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:29 PM   #55
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Cowboys 10-6 *Camp Marshmallow strikes early, Boys rebound late (4 of last 6 at home)
Eagles 10-6 *McNabb back fully, plus they get the Falcons at the link
Giants 8-8 *They will be the hunted this year
Redskins 6-10 *Growing pains
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:32 PM   #56
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Redskins:16-0
Giants:2-14
Eagles:1-15
Cowpokes:0-16

This isn't going to happen(except for the Redskins hopefully) but it would be nice to see it happen, wouldn't it?
Actually, I don't want our team to go 16-0...I mean look at the Patriots, they went 16-0, their goal was to go undefeated. But that came back and bit them in the @$$ when they lost the superbowl. Had they lost some games and won the Superbowl, they would be without a doubt one of the elite teams. Instead they are 18-1 and kicking themselves about it.
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Redskins:16-0
Giants:2-14
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Cowpokes:0-16

This isn't going to happen(except for the Redskins hopefully) but it would be nice to see it happen, wouldn't it?
I don't think it can. In two contests between the Eagles and Cowboys, you have 1 win, and 3 losses.

I agree that when the Cowboys and Eagles get together, no one wins, but this is probably a little too literal
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I don't think it can. In two contests between the Eagles and Cowboys, you have 1 win, and 3 losses.

I agree that when the Cowboys and Eagles get together, no one wins, but this is probably a little too literal
Maybe there will be a tie. LOL.
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Cowboys 10-6 *Camp Marshmallow strikes early, Boys rebound late (4 of last 6 at home)
Eagles 10-6 *McNabb back fully, plus they get the Falcons at the link
Giants 8-8 *They will be the hunted this year
Redskins 6-10 *Growing pains
I think that is way to conservative an estimate for the NFC East teams.

We are all playing the NFC West and the AFC North this season. Those are not 2 divisions that you can label as "power houses" like the NFC East. The BEST record from 2007 from those 2 divisions is 10-6, and 5 of those 8 teams finished the regular season at .500 or worse. Only 2 of those teams made the post season, because they won thier respective divisions.

Now if the NFC East were playing the AFC South this season I would agree with you.

But other than the disparity between road vs home games and placement of team bye weeks, this is really a cake schedule for the NFC East. Once again our main opposition will come from within our own division.
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I think that is way to conservative an estimate for the NFC East teams.

We are all playing the NFC West and the AFC North this season. Those are not 2 divisions that you can label as "power houses" like the NFC East. The BEST record from 2007 from those 2 divisions is 10-6, and 5 of those 8 teams finished the regular season at .500 or worse. Only 2 of those teams made the post season, because they won thier respective divisions.

Now if the NFC East were playing the AFC South this season I would agree with you.

But other than the disparity between road vs home games and placement of team bye weeks, this is really a cake schedule for the NFC East. Once again our main opposition will come from within our own division.
I can see your point about the performance of those divisions last year, but I don't see this year playing out like last year for either those divisions or our own. I like history too, like the time the Rams went from worst to first and won a Super Bowl ('99). Point being, last year's results are often times only that, last year's results. Plus, those divisions have some stout defenses, and playing defense gives you a chance. I think Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Arizona and Baltimore each have a good shot at beating Dallas. the 49ers are a long shot, but I like Mike Nolan, love Patrick Willis, and think Frank Gore and Mike Martz will get the offense to the middle of the pack. I don't see any team in our division downing that sixpack.

I was conservative, but I went through each team's schedule and that's what I saw. I tried to not be a homer, to objectively look at the schedule. I really undersold the Skins, but that is because I don't think we did a good enough job at filling the holes we had last year.

I think the Cowboys won't win as many games as last year, simply because they won 13 games last year and still didn't win in the playoffs. This year I think they take a little off the throttle in the regular season in an effort to win a playoff game. There's a lot of pressure on the folks in Dallas, is Wade the kind of coach to handle that?
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