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Old 08-18-2008, 11:18 AM   #226
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I agree with all of you guys about JC. He simply has to take his game to the next level. I think if this team stays healthy, there's no reason we can't make it to the playoffs again this year. And do well.

But as I pointed out on the list of mediocre QB's from JC's class, the only one who is flat out above the rest of the crew is Cleveland's Derek Anderson. And one could argue that's because he's been in the same system with the same head coach throughout his career. There's something to be said about that. I mean, look at how Alex Smith has handled the ups and downs of a changing cast and system. He's looking more and more like a bust with each season, and might not even start this year. And Aaron Rodgers aint lighting up in Green Bay either. What a disaster that could turn out to be if he flops this year.

At least give Jason Campbell credit for adjusting to the constant changing winds at Redskin's Park.
Well I believe in the past you have also said that JC has to get the experience playing which I agree. With that in mind how can you throw Aaron Rodgers name out there when he has not even started in an NFL game and was stuck behind you know who?
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:21 AM   #227
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Well I believe in the past you have also said that JC has to get the experience playing which I agree. With that in mind how can you throw Aaron Rodgers name out there when he has not even started in an NFL game and was stuck behind you know who?
Yeah, I'll give Rodgers the benefit of the doubt. He's essentially still a rookie, but no one will treat him like it that's for sure. But he's already been sacked six times this preseason.
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Puh-lease, fans can be so fickle. I love all this talk about Colt being the next coming of Joe Montana. Or so it seems. Look the kid can throw the football. There's no denying that. And if he continues to grow and JC stagnates, then maybe in a year or two, he could have a shot at challenging for the starting job.

But so far Colt has been impressive under less than impressive circumstances.
JC continues to make the same mistakes he has made throughout his time with the Skins. I hope he makes improvement but I just dont see him getting much better. As I have said in the past this is a make or break year for JC and if he doesnt show some real improvement Zorn will move on.

I really think that Colt is the QB Zorn is focusing on trying to get to the next level. I'm not saying he's not coaching up JC but I really think that Zorn sees Colt as the starter in a year or two unless JC makes some significant strides this season.
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One bad game, check that one bad quarter and all of a sudden the JC doubters are out in full force. This is almost comical. Kinda reminds me of Suisham missing his first kick in the HOF game and people wanted his head. And for the Colt lovers I'm sorry but the guy is not ready to face first string talent in a regular season game, he would get eaten alive. His mechanics stink, he's not disciplined in the pocket, and he makes some very risky throws... he needs alot of work.
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:04 PM   #230
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At the moment, I think Colt may be the second coming of ....Babe Laufenberg.

Babe was the best 3rd string qb we ever had. Aginst ofther 3rd stringers, he was amazing.

We have only seen colt against the JV, and he has performed admirably.

As for JC, I am currently in a 'wait and see' mode. Pre-season really doesn't count.

However, I purely go by numbers. If his QB rating doesn't start rising significantly (say to 85-95 for the year), his future at this franchise will be in doubt.

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One bad game, check that one bad quarter and all of a sudden the JC doubters are out in full force. This is almost comical. Kinda reminds me of Suisham missing his first kick in the HOF game and people wanted his head. And for the Colt lovers I'm sorry but the guy is not ready to face first string talent in a regular season game, he would get eaten alive. His mechanics stink, he's not disciplined in the pocket, and he makes some very risky throws... he needs alot of work.
I agree that there is no way CB is ready for prime time but IMO he sees the field better than JC and makes decisions much much quicker. His mechanics are not the best but then again neither are JC's or Brett Favre's. What bugs me most is that this is JCs 4th or 5th year and he is still making the same mistakes (slow decisions, indecision, bad reads, forced balls) he's always made. I know he lacks some experience but its not like he's been standing around Redskins park doing nothing since he got here. I would have though JC would have been much further along than he is. Barring a major injury he is the starter all season but like I said, unless he really shows Zorn some improvement Zorn will begin phasing him out.
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One bad game, check that one bad quarter and all of a sudden the JC doubters are out in full force.
Yup. I want to vomit when I read "JC... but Colt............"
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I can't believe people are already complaining about JC after a couple of bad drives in a pre-season football game. This is so absurd it's not even funny or not even worth talking about.
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I can't believe people are already complaining about JC after a couple of bad drives in a pre-season football game. This is so absurd it's not even funny or not even worth talking about.
Apparently, 12 of 15 for 130 yards and 1 TD and no turnovers is NOT cause for optimism whereas 4/10 for 40 yards is cause for pesimism.
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. He then goes on to say he never would have made that bet if JC was in, and hes a JC supporter. Why is that? ... makes you think.
Wow, there's a lot of gippity-goop being talked about with JC vs. Colt. Bottomline is this:

* JC is clearly the starter and better QB at this point. He's got a ton of talent.

* JC is not a good "cruch time" QB - based on his chokes last year. He doesn't appear to "have it" like the great QB's do. Maybe this will change, but he needs to prove that he can fire that winning TD into coverage with seconds counting down (not INT's which is his normal preference).

* Colt is fun to talk about, but he hasn't done poopity-sqat against anything that resembles 1st team defenses.

* Everyone of Colt's TD's could easily have been INT's (tight coverage), so either he's a freakishly amazing QB or he's freakishly lucky.

* If all plays out well, JC will be our QB for the next 1-2 years. If he turns out to be good, we give him lots of $$ and have our long-term QB. If not, he's done-cakes and hopefully Colt has 2 years of experience and is ready to take it from there.

* It will be a long, depressing season if JC stinks up the place. Especially with all of the talent around him. That said, we have to give him at least until mid-season before we jump down his throat (Zorn too).
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Again, it's not about ONE bad game Matty. It's about wanting to see change.. and what we saw on Saturday was not good. The hope is that he'll put that kind of play behind him and get better and not regress.
You seem to use this game to jump on JC but you seem to forget the other two presaeson games where he has look very good. Then people praise Colt for playing good against scrubs but forget about last week when he came in earlier in the game and did nothing against maybe 2nd stringers.
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Again, it's not about ONE bad game Matty. It's about wanting to see change.. and what we saw on Saturday was not good. The hope is that he'll put that kind of play behind him and get better and not regress.
Fine. What is your opinion of his first two games this year then?
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This concept espoused by Irish and hess that JC hasn't changed and is making the same mistakes as he did in past years just doesn't hold water with me. One, it's preseason so it's difficult to tell anything about his in-game decision making. Two, my observations are that, other than on Sunday when he faced a 3-4 defense for the FIRST TIME SINCE LAST SEASON, his decision making has been pretty sharp. Three, every commentator who has expressed an opinion has stated that JC seems to be making a smooth transition to JZ's system and JZ has complimented him on his improvements.

How will he perform in the 4th quarter of a close in season game? Guess we'll just have to wait and find out.

As for Colt, JZ's comment when asked how Colt was doing was "I told him he makes some throws [holding his hands about 6" apart] very well, but that to succeed in this league, you have to make all these throws well [holding his hands about 20" apart]." Clearly, Zorn thinks Brennan does some things well but that, outside his comfort zone, Brennan has some real issues. Can Brennan learn to do all the throws? Probably, in about two or three years. He has had so much success without needing to challenge himself, it is questionable as to whether or not he can go beyond what has brought him success in the past. Lots of excellent college players (not just QB's) have had this same issue (See Billy McMullen).
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This concept espoused by Irish and hess that JC hasn't changed and is making the same mistakes as he did in past years just doesn't hold water with me. One, it's preseason so it's difficult to tell anything about his in-game decision making. Two, my observations are that, other than on Sunday when he faced a 3-4 defense for the FIRST TIME SINCE LAST SEASON, his decision making has been pretty sharp. Three, every commentator who has expressed an opinion has stated that JC seems to be making a smooth transition to JZ's system and JZ has complimented him on his improvements.

How will he perform in the 4th quarter of a close in season game? Guess we'll just have to wait and find out.

As for Colt, JZ's comment when asked how Colt was doing was "I told him he makes some throws [holding his hands about 6" apart] very well, but that to succeed in this league, you have to make all these throws well [holding his hands about 20" apart]." Clearly, Zorn thinks Brennan does some things well but that, outside his comfort zone, Brennan has some real issues. Can Brennan learn to do all the throws? Probably, in about two or three years. He has had so much success without needing to challenge himself, it is questionable as to whether or not he can go beyond what has brought him success in the past. Lots of excellent college players (not just QB's) have had this same issue (See Billy McMullen).
Bottom line, by JC's Warpath critics, the only true measure of improvement if he has no imcomplete passes.
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You have access to my threads - so check it. You won't find anything negative, but rather hope that he'll improve.
So no praise... just this "hope" that he'll improve, which he did. Seems kinda lame to jump on him over his first bad outing yet no praise for him looking sharp in the other two games.
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