Gameday Thread Jets- Skins

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

Right, Colt has a competitive advantage over JC.

Yes, but that doesn't contradict anything I said elsewhere in the thread.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I think a smaller sample size can skew the results for good or bad.


To be honest I really dont even look at the stats because they can be misleading. When I watch JC I see a QB that is a slow decision maker that takes too long to get the ball out which results in stalled drives. Maybe he will improve this season, time will tell.

Against the Jets yes his decision making was slow. I'd chalk that up to him seeing the 3-4 for the first time in a while and because of no game planning/special preperation for that D.

In the previous 2 games however I thought he was very good at getting the ball out quickly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

It's not about this one game, it's about the games prior when he did the same things. You want to see those things corrected, not continuing as he progresses.

Do you understand that this is pre season and there is no game planning for a particular defense? It seemed to me that the Jets were blitzing and we didn't prepare for it at all. As far as last year goes I think JC was solid. He wasn't bad and he wasn't great. I think he was right about where a first year starter would be. Do you expect every QB to be Tom Brady?

[sportscurmudgeon]

Three things I concluded from the Skins/Jets game over the weekend:


1. Kellen Clemens is a lot further away from being a mediocre starting QB than I had thought before.

2. Vernon Gholston cannot play OLB in the NFL. He can rush the passer but that's it. He does not play the run well and he can't cover a corpse. Taking him sixth and paying him $20M guaranteed will be a huge mistake if they don't move him to ILB or beef him up and make him a DE.

3. The Jets must have wanted to play OT to have a better look at players or plays. Why else would they try that late field goal in an exhibition game?


Oh, by the way, barring injuries the only time you will see Colt Brennan under center for the Skins in 2008 is if there is another game like the Pats game last year where the score is 52-7 in the 4th quarter. Wouldn't matter which team was ahead at that point but that's when you'll be seeing Brennan this year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Did anyone ever think that the Jets had a game plain for this game and the welcoming of Farve. If they came in this game cold without a plain it would have been very stupid. They really needed good showing for Farve and if things would have gone bad it could have really stired the pot and the media would have all started second guessing this move.

I think he was probably playing with a very limited package of plays in order to help him get off to a good start. Not only for the fans and media but I think to help him feel comfortable right off the bat.

[4thGenRedskin21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think he was probably playing with a very limited package of plays in order to help him get off to a good start. Not only for the fans and media but I think to help him feel comfortable right off the bat.

I agree 100%, you know how big of a media city NY is, and if they would have gone into that game and completely flopped, the media would be eating them up and they would be trying to dig themselves out of a whole all year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well we know they had limited plays because of his time there but I think they also had a total game plain so the Farve move started off on the right foot. If Farve would have come out and the Jets looked like crap the media would have started questioning the Farve move and it could have gone down hill quick in the big apple.

You mean he's a Smitty fan?

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Bottom line, what kind of stats would it take to make you think JC is THE guy?

For me, It would be a QB rating of 85+ for this year, and 95+ next year.

Pre-season doesn't count.

J-Dawg.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

For me, It would be a QB rating of 85+ for this year, and 95+ next year.

Your expectations for 2008 might be a tad bit too high. Neither Phillip Rivers nor Derek Anderson had a QB rating of 85+ in 2007. I'd be fine with anything in the 80s. A QB rating in the 80s for someone with about 2 seasons worth of starting experience (which is how much experience JC will have at the end of this season) is decent.

Your expectations for 2009 are astronomical. Only 6 QBs had a QB rating of 95+ in 2007. I'm not prepared to say, "If JC isn't a top 5 QB in 2009, I say we junk him." To say otherwise would mean that you believe that guys like Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, and Jeff Garcia (none of whom had a rating of 95+ in 2007) don't make the cut.

[JoeRedskin]

Personally, if JC doesn't break Peyton's Mannings TD/Season record, he's pretty much trash and not worth the draft picks we traded for him. We should dump him while the dumping's good May be we can a conditional 6th or 7th rounder for him. He's been a pro how long? By this time, Farve was a pro-bowler, Peyton was All World and Derek Anderson had taken "the next step". We'll know by the the end of the first quarter in the Giants' game whether JC is the starter in 2010 or not.

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[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Your expectations for 2008 might be a tad bit too high. Neither Phillip Rivers nor Derek Anderson had a QB rating of 85+ in 2007. I'd be fine with anything in the 80s. A QB rating in the 80s for someone with about 2 seasons worth of starting experience (which is how much experience JC will have at the end of this season) is decent.

Your expectations for 2009 are astronomical. Only 6 QBs had a QB rating of 95+ in 2007. I'm not prepared to say, "If JC isn't a top 5 QB in 2009, I say we junk him." To say otherwise would mean that you believe that guys like Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, and Jeff Garcia (none of whom had a rating of 95+ in 2007) don't make the cut.

Fair enough.

My point is, that he had virtually unchanged qb ratings for the partial 2006 year, and the longer 2007 season.

He needs to improve, and improve with each of the next two years.

The whole idea of a learning curve is that as with experience, one gets better, increasing productivity.

That's what I'm looking for in any player early in his career, but espcially the QB.

J-Dawg.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Personally, if JC doesn't break Peyton's Mannings TD/Season record, he's pretty much trash and not worth the draft picks we traded for him. We should dump him while the dumping's good May be we can a conditional 6th or 7th rounder for him. He's been a pro how long? By this time, Farve was a pro-bowler, Peyton was All World and Derek Anderson had taken "the next step". We'll know by the the end of the first quarter in the Giants' game whether JC is the starter in 2010 or not.

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First of all. If you think JC is goign to break Peyton's Manning TD record you are seriously not in touch with reality. How many years did it take for Peyton Manningto break it. Als you can't compare him to Peyton Manning at this point. You also can't compare him to Favre at this point. Your expectations are unrealistic. To be honest. His first 16 games as a starter are better than most of these QB's you listed TD/INT ratio. Usually there are far more INTs than TDs. Which I think is a good sign. If Jason had been able to start earlier and had the same offense for more than one year. He would be light years ahead of where he is now.

One game is not a determining factor for whether or not we dump Jason Campbell. We atleast have to give him a season unless he is horrendous through the season as has to be pulled which I seriously doubt. Manning was horrible his first couple of years. But they had patinece with him and you see what happens. We don't have that here.

Just my rebuttal...Unless your being sarcastic..lol

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I don't think a lot of us are giving him a ton of love. We're arguing that he should be given time (i.e., more than 1 season's worth of game experience) to develop.

Agreed!!...We will never have a quality QB here if we dont let him develop. Its takes more than 20 or so more odd games..That's less than a season in a half..Be real people. If you dont think him switching offensive coordiantors every year doesn't affect things then you are wrong. Even Favre said its difficult switching to a new offense and he is a well season vet and they had to limit the play book for him when we played the Jets. So dont get it twisted.

Saying that..He has less TDs than interceptions. Not many QBs including Manning can say that in their first 20 games..Some people need to get a clue..because they obviously dont know anything about football and have little patience.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

First of all. If you think JC is goign to break Peyton's Manning TD record you are seriously not in touch with reality. How many years did it take for Peyton Manningto break it. Als you can't compare him to Peyton Manning at this point. You also can't compare him to Favre at this point. Your expectations are unrealistic. To be honest. His first 16 games as a starter are better than most of these QB's you listed TD/INT ratio. Usually there are far more INTs than TDs. Which I think is a good sign. If Jason had been able to start earlier and had the same offense for more than one year. He would be light years ahead of where he is now.

One game is not a determining factor for whether or not we dump Jason Campbell. We atleast have to give him a season unless he is horrendous through the season as has to be pulled which I seriously doubt. Manning was horrible his first couple of years. But they had patinece with him and you see what happens. We don't have that here.

Just my rebuttal...Unless your being sarcastic..lol

Me? Sarcastic? Never.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Me? Sarcastic? Never.

Maybe you need a bigger sarcasm font