Defensive line..Stop the man crushes..

skinsnut · 08-19-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I casually mentioned it a few months back, but I'm a bit surprised they haven't experimented a bit with Wilson at LB

interesting idea....I think he must be injured though.
I am dying to see Wilson in pass rushing situations...he has been invisible so far

SmootSmack · 08-19-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Well atleast he can touch a QB in a game. Preseason or not. I am talking abotu some of these older guys. Its really to late to do anything now. But Our DBs get more sacks than out D-Line. I am glad we got Jason Taylor and have Andre Carter. I like the kid Montgomery. But I am talking about Pass rushers for the future and back-ups. Maybe man crushes was the wrong word. I actually hate that word myself..sounds kinda..but anyways..familiarity or seniority. How many games have you watched were we barely touch the Qb and his jersey is extra clean..?

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

I think the people we have are decent..but we need to take it to the next level. We have upgraded. But we should have done more earlier.

How ****ing hard is it to just name the players you're talking about? This is so unbelievably ridiculous. Is it so damn hard to just name the effin players instead of being so freakin' cryptic? Are you talking about Griffin, Boschetti, Evans (those are the only veterans left that I can think of), are you talking about all of them, one of them, two of them? Put some friggin' meat on the bones of your thread. Goodness if this is the crap you're going to offer, I can see why ES didn't want you around.

PennSkinsFan · 08-19-2008, 01:17 PM

Well, I certainly like this defensive line, much better than the last three. Taylor and Carter on the ends both have the potential and did it last year in racking up double digit sacks. The key in the middle is Grif AND health of Grif. With both Montgomery and Golston doing extremely well, Grif should be able to stay healthy and fresh.

Mattyk · 08-19-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm even more confused now. Why don't you just say exactly who you are talking about?

I don't know either. If you can figure it out let me know.

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-19-2008, 01:22 PM

Here's some good stats regarding defensive lines:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

GTripp will be able to explain these stats better than me ... I know he frequents this site.

Anyways, the data shows our defensive line was ranked 17th last year overall. That puts us above NE, SD, GB, JAX, and DEN, as well as others.

Interestingly enough, those stats rank us #1 last year in the 10+ category -- a measure of LB performance.

skinsnut · 08-19-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you might need some perspective on Rob Jackson. While he's flashed some promise he's still a very green rookie. The practice squad for him isn't that outrageous of a thought.

I agree...in fact, I'm not even sure he will make the team.
Yes, he has made a sack or 2 against non NFL players...but besides the highlight reel...not much stands out.
To me...he is the ideal practice squad guy.

I doubt we would lose him to another team...they usually don't go picking squads for 7th round DEs on teams notorious for having a DE problem

12thMan · 08-19-2008, 01:24 PM

Why is that people act like preseason is the eigth game of the season?

Mattyk · 08-19-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Why is that people act like preseason is the eigth game of the season?

boredom or ignorance... or perhaps a combo of both with a little stupidity sprinkled on top?

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-19-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

HA ... look at the names on that list. A bunch of scrubs who'll be lucky to make a team. Besides, he only has two sacks.

Let's see if we can make a list of DEs who had two sacks in their career, but never amounted to anything. Oh boy, it'll be a long day.

Mattyk · 08-19-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Well atleast he can touch a QB in a game. Preseason or not. I am talking abotu some of these older guys. Its really to late to do anything now. But Our DBs get more sacks than out D-Line. I am glad we got Jason Taylor and have Andre Carter. I like the kid Montgomery. But I am talking about Pass rushers for the future and back-ups. Maybe man crushes was the wrong word. I actually hate that word myself..sounds kinda..but anyways..familiarity or seniority. How many games have you watched were we barely touch the Qb and his jersey is extra clean..?

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

I think the people we have are decent..but we need to take it to the next level. We have upgraded. But we should have done more earlier.

Frankly who cares? It's the preseason.

skinsnut · 08-19-2008, 01:32 PM

If anyone were to suggest there is a man-crush on the Dline...it would have to be Carter....which is valid...I like the guy he proved last year he is a keeper....great job Front Office.....

The only other possible man-crush is Jason Taylor.
I must admit, the hype is much greater than his limited production so far.
I thought he'd have more of an impact last game, but it is still early in preseason and he doesn't have his mean streak going yet.

I sure hope he is a good as advertised and not as vanilla as the last couple outings.
A 2nd rounder is a lot for a 2 year guy...he better be damn good.

The Goat · 08-19-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How ****ing hard is it to just name the players you're talking about? This is so unbelievably ridiculous. Is it so damn hard to just name the effin players instead of being so freakin' cryptic? Are you talking about Griffin, Boschetti, Evans (those are the only veterans left that I can think of), are you talking about all of them, one of them, two of them? Put some friggin' meat on the bones of your thread. Goodness if this is the crap you're going to offer, I can see why ES didn't want you around.

Ditto. Aside from the obfuscation, how the hell can any of us criticize the franchise over pass rush when we've done more this off-season (in a single transaction albeit) than in 7 previous seasons? What the hell is the expectation here: transfer the Giants d-line roster down to DC.

Right

The Goat · 08-19-2008, 01:50 PM

The other thing worth noting is that JT has zero reason to show his stuff in preseason. Zero. Not because he's the guaranteed starter and he can be lazy. He is working into a new position for the most part and trying new things. Why flash your shit when it doesn't count? Preseason for a guy like JT is just to make sure you're in playing shape and feeling out the other side of the line.

That said, we should expect a d-line clinic come Sept. 4 from both teams. JT will be flying especially in his new role and it will be the shit if we create more sacks than they do.

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-19-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Can I have a crush on Jason Taylor just becuase he's hot as hell? ... LOL

Somewhere Mark Brunell is quietly weeping in a corner...

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-19-2008, 01:53 PM

I'm not worried at all about JT. IMO, DE is one of the easiest positions on the field. It's not like he has to learn a bunch of new stuff. Except for stunts and dropping into coverage, all the DE has to do is tackle the ball carrier. JT hasn't forgotten how to do that.

08-19-2008, 01:17 PM	#33
PennSkinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 42 Posts: 752	Re: Defensive line..Stop the man crushes.. Well, I certainly like this defensive line, much better than the last three. Taylor and Carter on the ends both have the potential and did it last year in racking up double digit sacks. The key in the middle is Grif AND health of Grif. With both Montgomery and Golston doing extremely well, Grif should be able to stay healthy and fresh. __________________ DC Pro Sports Report - Home of the Internet's Largest NFL Mock Draft Database. Best Redskins Redskins discussion, theWarpath.net

08-19-2008, 01:22 PM	#35
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 31 Posts: 2,759	Re: Defensive line..Stop the man crushes.. Here's some good stats regarding defensive lines: FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008 GTripp will be able to explain these stats better than me ... I know he frequents this site. Anyways, the data shows our defensive line was ranked 17th last year overall. That puts us above NE, SD, GB, JAX, and DEN, as well as others. Interestingly enough, those stats rank us #1 last year in the 10+ category -- a measure of LB performance. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

08-19-2008, 01:24 PM	#37
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Defensive line..Stop the man crushes.. Why is that people act like preseason is the eigth game of the season?

08-19-2008, 01:32 PM	#41
skinsnut The Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,172	Re: Defensive line..Stop the man crushes.. If anyone were to suggest there is a man-crush on the Dline...it would have to be Carter....which is valid...I like the guy he proved last year he is a keeper....great job Front Office..... The only other possible man-crush is Jason Taylor. I must admit, the hype is much greater than his limited production so far. I thought he'd have more of an impact last game, but it is still early in preseason and he doesn't have his mean streak going yet. I sure hope he is a good as advertised and not as vanilla as the last couple outings. A 2nd rounder is a lot for a 2 year guy...he better be damn good. __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

08-19-2008, 01:50 PM	#43
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: Defensive line..Stop the man crushes.. The other thing worth noting is that JT has zero reason to show his stuff in preseason. Zero. Not because he's the guaranteed starter and he can be lazy. He is working into a new position for the most part and trying new things. Why flash your shit when it doesn't count? Preseason for a guy like JT is just to make sure you're in playing shape and feeling out the other side of the line. That said, we should expect a d-line clinic come Sept. 4 from both teams. JT will be flying especially in his new role and it will be the shit if we create more sacks than they do. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

08-19-2008, 01:53 PM	#45
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 31 Posts: 2,759	Re: Defensive line..Stop the man crushes.. I'm not worried at all about JT. IMO, DE is one of the easiest positions on the field. It's not like he has to learn a bunch of new stuff. Except for stunts and dropping into coverage, all the DE has to do is tackle the ball carrier. JT hasn't forgotten how to do that. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

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