Defensive line..Stop the man crushes..

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Its the older guys and the non productive players that we need to start to replace. Come on its very clear who is not helping along the line with these older guys and the ones who don't produce. I'm not talking about JT or Carter but the older guys need to be replaced. We need younger guys to replace the older guys and the ones who don't produce so we can get to the QB and not let him have all day. If these older guys won't get the job done and we cannot count on the one's who don't produce to come in and take over. Its all very clear.

Mattyk

lol crystal clear

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WAIT..........if the old guys go, WHO's going to deliver the 100 sacks????

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GhettoDogAllStars

Duh, Colt Brennan.

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JoeRedskin

Colt can't get the sacks, he's replacing JC. Obviously, we need to use next year's draft picks for the D-Line this year.

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WaldSkins

Are we talking about Griffin?

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WaldSkins

I say we offer Brennan to the Giants for Usi and Justin tuck. I know we'd be giving up our future hall of fame qb, but we need some sacks. They would be stupid not to take the trade.

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JoeRedskin

Only if they through in their first round picks in 2009 & 2010. Even then they'd be taking us for a ride.

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Actually, I'm thinking Indy is secretly hoping Peyton will stay injured so they can trade Reggie Wayne, Bob Sanders and Dwight Freeney for Colt. The name and star power is too great to pass up.

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dmvskinzfan08

Its funny how you put it. But it is my point and if the blanks get filled in it really makes my point. lol. Not downing the D-Line. But I am tired of them not tocuhing the QB. I dont evne care if they dont sack him. But atleast touch him...

dmvskinzfan08

Wow..thanks for the good words dude..Thanks for insulting me. I will name the players. Griffin plays good against the run. But he doesn't touch the QB. Daniels is hurt so I cant put him the conversation. As a whole they haven't produced. That's why we have to rush DBs to get to our QB. The only person who has produced is Carter. Jason Taylor will produce. Montgomery is coming on. Wilson came on at the end of the season. But everyone else hasn't been that fantastic. Why are you getting all frustrated dude.

The reason I am not on ES is because one of the people I was arguing with was friends with the moderator. I got hated on because I said Mason should make the team and Rock was a good returner but he sucked as a RB. Granted he has one long run last game. That's all he has shown.

Secondly I said that Jason Campbell should be given a fair shot. He has only started around 20 games and people were asing for Colt to be the starter. I asked for him to be given a fair chance and got persectued.

another reason this geek kept posting irrelevant stats about Rock..and saying he should be on the team solely for his special team skills. Which could be a good point. So honestly I posted STFU (and not the actual words) to a dude. I got banned for that. Which if you go on the board and check the smileys there is actually one that says STFU so I didn't see the harm. Especially when someone is insulting me and I had seen other posters say it. Also he was saying insulting things.

As far as you. All you have to do is ask for me to be more detailed and stop thowing hissy fits. If it is cool to curse at people on this board and insult them hopefully I wont get banned for defending myself. So moderator..I need to know is it right to throw out the F word because I will along with some other ones. If I listed the people who were doing good. It shouldn't be hard to figure out the ones who aren't doing that much. Especially if you watch the games. This is not about this preseason alone. its about the past 3-4 years when we barely sniff a QB and he picks us apart. The point that I was making is if the people arne't here whether they are veterans or 2-3 year players and they can't touch the Qb we need to find some new blood that can. Whether it is through drafting or free agency. If Erasmus James can be healthy and produce we shouldn't but him on IR unless he is truly injured and not able to put in work. If Rob Jackson has skills to rush the passer than he should be given a chance. For the past few years Carter has been the only one who has produced on a constant basis and that's not enough. With JT here that should change. But he wont be around that long. So if we have talent we shoudl develop it. If we have veterans that are not producing and have been around for a while then we need to stop having a love affair with them and get someone who can do the job. Whether its through trade or free agency or the draft. is that clear enough? I shouldn't even have to name names if you watch the games. You know who is producing and who hasn't.

GhettoDogAllStars

I'm not trying to speak for SS -- he's pretty good at that himself. However, you started this thread, and nothing has come out of it. No good discussion -- nothing but off-topic BS.

There's a reason for that: you didn't make your case very clearly, and so there were no specific talking points. You just said that the d-line is underachieving, with no arguments to back it up.

SS said, "Daniels, Griffin, Boschetti, Evans, Golston, Wilson, Alexander, and Montgomery need to go?"

You said, "NO I am talking about older playrs that haven't produced and other players that haven't produced."

So, if not any of the players SS mentioned, then who needs to go? I'm not sure there is anyone left.

I'm not trying to gang-up on you. In all actuality, some guys on the d-line will be cut, and this could be a good discussion about who should go.

So, who should go?

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dmvskinzfan08

Griffin is getting ancient. But he is good against the run but not a good pass rusher. Daniels is hurt but he hasn't produced when he wasn't. he is getting older and I thought he would have a good year because of his weight lifting regimen. But he got hurt. Buzbee probably would have been a good addition but he got hurt. He is what I consider new blood and a good prospect. Boschetti has not produced. Evans has been decent but not fantastic. You can say the same for Golston. Wilson stepped up at the end of last year. So he may be a keeper. Alexander showed versatility in that he can play O-Line and D-Line so he's a keeper. Montgomery is still young and has good push and has looked decent against the run so he is definitely a keeper. JT may change the dynamics of inside rsuh with people having to pick whether they double team him or Carter. As a whole th past few years the only person whohas stepped up is Carter. That is my point. If Rob Jackson can rush the passer than why should he go to the practice squad? He's looked pretty good in preseason especially since he is a rookie. Its good to have vet leadership. But if they are not producing then the management needs to bring in new blood or concentrate on the D-line in the future. Which they should have address in the draft or free-agency. But JT was definitely a good pick up and if Erasmus James is a good pick up. But if people want Erasmus James on the IR and Rob Jackson on the PS then we basically only picke dup one player and lost two in daniels & buzbee. I heard several teams were interested in Buzbee it was a shame he got hurt. But you win games in the trenches. The Giants showed that. Hopefully our D-line steps up with the help of Taylor and can perform with the likes of the Giants who were lights out the other night on the D-Line, or the Eagles how always have a good line and the Cowboy which I hate to admit but have a decent D-Line also. We need to step up in that area. We might not be able to do anything this year. But hopefully we will in the future.

As far as other people talking off topic. I have nothing to do with that. Sorry I am not a supreme poster on here. But no one if goign to effin insult me because they are getting pissed about a thread I started. Dont read it. Dont reply. But definitely dont start cursing at me. Just state what your issue is. Which I have psoted peoples names in some of the replies in this thread. But I felt it no need to call out people when the D-Line as a whole has not produced sacks or that many QB pressures.