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Old 08-23-2008, 11:01 PM   #496
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Im starting to think our offensive line is designed for a Don Coryell style of offense...run first to set up play action.

I dont know if our line is prepared to go back on their heels to pass protect so often.
Our line is a smash mouth line that like to move forward.
I really think the transition of the oline has been overlooked
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:02 PM   #497
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Yes, but to me, there were some real red flags, and Doughty was one of them. Not just in pass coverage, but in run defense. He had a perfect angle on one of the long TD runs (lost track of exactly which one it was) and completely whiffed.

He has always been the weak link in the secondary. The question is if he truly doesn't belong in the starting lineup, and if there's no one else who can take his place, how much of a defeciency does he present for the defense as a whole?

Maybe it was just a bad game. But let's just say that I've always had my doubts about that guy.
The defense overall was just totally abysmal. They did absolutely nothing wrong. I fault the O-line primarily for the offensive problems, but the D stunk out loud in every facet. Big time stench.
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Coaching is to blame too...no adjustments.
Why start passing at your own 10....twice....and they game planned...dont they know the panthers have a great dline?

You need to run right at them...especially to get the oline going...then after seeing the struggles...no shifting to shotgun..

I wont even mention the defensive lack of attacking...to vanilla, easy to pick apart..i sure hope we do more on defense.

The coach has a positive perspetive on Jason Taylor speaking with Sonny
The way Campbell was holding on to the ball, it appears he also forgot that the Panthers have a good d-line.
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The way Campbell was holding on to the ball, it appears he also forgot that the Panthers have a good d-line.
good point...he was way slower in the last 2 games than in the first 2...especially tonight
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Yes, but to me, there were some real red flags, and Doughty was one of them. Not just in pass coverage, but in run defense. He had a perfect angle on one of the long TD runs (lost track of exactly which one it was) and completely whiffed.

He has always been the weak link in the secondary. The question is if he truly doesn't belong in the starting lineup, and if there's no one else who can take his place, how much of a defeciency does he present for the defense as a whole?

Maybe it was just a bad game. But let's just say that I've always had my doubts about that guy.
I think Doughty is a good player but just average. He is not an elite Safety, and this is what happens when the rest of the defense faulters, you can't depend on him to save the game.
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good point...he was way slower in the last 2 games than in the first 2...especially tonight
I hope Zorn coaches him on this area this week. You can't hold on to the ball with Peppers out there. I'm not sure if he should have gone outside of the pocket or not, but he either needed to buy himself more time or just get rid of it. Otherwise, he's going to get killed by the Jax D-Line next week.
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I must have missed this earlier Jansen hurt with ankle injury, not sure if high or low. Just caught this on the post-game interview with Zorn on Comcast w/B Mitch & Co.
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I must have missed this earlier Jansen hurt with ankle injury, not sure if high or low. Just caught this on the post-game interview with Zorn on Comcast w/B Mitch & Co.
Really? How bad is it?
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Seems very strange tonight that with the way the Panthers consistenlty blitz backers all night we never once attempted a pitch outside to our backs to negate the constant rush. Almost as if we either did not want to show our playbook or Zorn is a horrible play caller.
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Really? How bad is it?
They don't know. Depends on if the 'sprain' is high or low. That has a lot to do with come back time, you can usually come back much quicker with a low sprain..have to wait and see. Another bad start for Jansen.
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They don't know. Depends on if the 'sprain' is high or low. That has a lot to do with come back time, you can usually come back much quicker with a low sprain..have to wait and see. Another bad start for Jansen.
He's been getting beat for a sack in each of these preseason games. Sometimes I wonder if the window is closing on Jon Jansen.
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I don't want to hit the panic button or anything, but I will make the following points:

1. Jim Zorn comes out of an organization that never did well on the road. He has to learn how to show up for away games.

2. Pass protection is a big part of competing on the road. You cannot play a team like Carolina and expect to protect the passer with 5 guys. It just doesn't work.

3. I see nothing in Devin Thomas that makes me care if he makes the final roster.

4. The Redskins have 11 days to GTST. If I were Zorn I would think about leaning on the run and maybe playing field position.
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Im starting to think our offensive line is designed for a Don Coryell style of offense...run first to set up play action.

I dont know if our line is prepared to go back on their heels to pass protect so often.
Our line is a smash mouth line that like to move forward.
I really think the transition of the oline has been overlooked
I don't think so. The running game is the same, and as far as the passing game goes, this 'West Coast' system gets the ball out faster than under the Coryell scheme.

This is a veteran line that has seen just about everything. No excuses for a performance like we saw tonight.
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He's been getting beat for a sack in each of these preseason games. Sometimes I wonder if the window is closing on Jon Jansen.
Yeah this is not good. Makes me wonder if the team should have gotten a lineman in the 2nd round instead of a 2nd WR (or Davis???). I just hope we have enough talent in the backups should he go down again (or keep getting beaten)
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I don't want to hit the panic button or anything, but I will make the following points:

1. Jim Zorn comes out of an organization that never did well on the road. He has to learn how to show up for away games.

2. Pass protection is a big part of competing on the road. You cannot play a team like Carolina and expect to protect the passer with 5 guys. It just doesn't work.

3. I see nothing in Devin Thomas that makes me care if he makes the final roster.

4. The Redskins have 11 days to GTST. If I were Zorn I would think about leaning on the run and maybe playing field position.
On points 2 and 4, I agree; though I don't think Zorn has given up on the run.

Zorn was the quarterback coach in Seattle. His responsibilities at that rank had nothing to do with how the Seahawks performed on the road. And you might as well get used to the idea of Devin Thomas being on the final roster, because their top pick in the 2008 draft is going to make this team whether his limited action in preseason warrants it or not.
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