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Old 08-23-2008, 11:38 PM   #511
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Yeah this is not good. Makes me wonder if the team should have gotten a lineman in the 2nd round instead of a 2nd WR (or Davis???). I just hope we have enough talent in the backups should he go down again (or keep getting beaten)

I would have liked to see another lineman taken somewhere in the second round of the draft this year, but receiver was a need too. I also think they like what they see in Stephon Heyer, at least in spot duty. Rinehart looks decent as well.

You also have to figure that Jansen has missed basically 2 out of the past 4 seasons, so there has to be some technique lost along the way.
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On points 2 and 4, I agree; though I don't think Zorn has given up on the run.

Zorn was the quarterback coach in Seattle. His responsibilities at that rank had nothing to do with how the Seahawks performed on the road. And you might as well get used to the idea of Devin Thomas being on the final roster, because their top pick in the 2008 draft is going to make this team whether his limited action in preseason warrants it or not.
I'm totally prepared for the fact that they willl keep him, but it doesb't make it right. Bobby Beathard was much more renowned than Vinny and Walter Murray still got the axe. I think it would send a powerful message. That looked like a team that is in paycheck gathering mode to me. They need to get serious and Zorn needs to start making them get serious.

Also, Zorn as QB Coach was part and parcel of how that team performed on the road. And going to Dallas, NY, and Philly is a damned sight harder than St. Louis, Arizona, and SF.
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Im mad I missed the game because of work. After reading some post, maybe it was a good thing. I just want to see Zorn light a fire on our team a..
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I'm totally prepared for the fact that they willl keep him, but it doesb't make it right. Bobby Beathard was much more renowned than Vinny and Walter Murray still got the axe. I think it would send a powerful message. That looked like a team that is in paycheck gathering mode to me. They need to get serious and Zorn needs to start making them get serious.

Also, Zorn as QB Coach was part and parcel of how that team performed on the road. And going to Dallas, NY, and Philly is a damned sight harder than St. Louis, Arizona, and SF.
"Part and parcel," or a "significant factor" ?? I just don't see how a bad road record can be traced back to the QB coach. If it makes you feel any better though, Zorn so far is 2-1 outside of Fed Ex Field.

Interesting note about Walter Murray. I'd never heard of him until the graphic came up tonight on the broadcast which gave us the Redskins' top wideout picks going back to Art Monk. That's not an impressive list, by the way. Penn State offensive tackle Andre Johnson was another first rounder who didn't make the cut back in '96. Though I think he still somehow lasted one season. It can happen, certainly. But personally, I'm not taking Devin Thomas back to the customer service desk for a refund just yet.
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"Part and parcel," or a "significant factor" ?? I just don't see how a bad road record can be traced back to the QB coach. If it makes you feel any better though, Zorn so far is 2-1 outside of Fed Ex Field.

Interesting note about Walter Murray. I'd never heard of him until the graphic came up tonight on the broadcast which gave us the Redskins' top wideout picks going back to Art Monk. That's not an impressive list, by the way. Penn State offensive tackle Andre Johnson was another first rounder who didn't make the cut back in '96. Though I think he still somehow lasted one season. It can happen, certainly. But personally, I'm not taking Devin Thomas back to the customer service desk for a refund just yet.
I don't know why the hell people think Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly are going to become Randy Moss and T.O. They are rookies and will not contribute that much this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what typically happens. We've improved our WR groups for the 2009 season, not next season. If we wanted to improve our wideouts for this season, we should have signed a veteran.
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Time to shake this one off...The Skins will find a way to win this season and this game will be a distance memory.

No not spin, panic or positive thinking...it's just Redskin tradition.
Maybe we should revisit this post during week 10 of the regular season and see how we are rating then.
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He's been getting beat for a sack in each of these preseason games. Sometimes I wonder if the window is closing on Jon Jansen.
I agree 100%. Jansen has never been at his best in the pre-season, he usually gets better as we get into the regular season, around week 2/3 he's coming on strong in the past (when he was healthy).

However, after going on three years filled with injuries, and IMO this pre-season coming off a major surgery he just hasn't looked good at all. I think Jansen's time is running out, I could see this being Jon's last season as a Redskin.
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I must have missed this earlier Jansen hurt with ankle injury, not sure if high or low. Just caught this on the post-game interview with Zorn on Comcast w/B Mitch & Co.
I think Zorn was talking about J.Taylor. I didn't hear anything about Jansen. Although at this point he's playing much more like a liability than an asset.
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I don't know why the hell people think Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly are going to become Randy Moss and T.O. They are rookies and will not contribute that much this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what typically happens. We've improved our WR groups for the 2009 season, not next season. If we wanted to improve our wideouts for this season, we should have signed a veteran.

I hope we sign McMullen. He has his faults but has played much better thatn the rest of the new wideouts. Plus he is a vet and knows the WCO. We need that because these rookies WRs are not ready and atleast we will have 4 vet wide receivers. I just hope that both of the rooks aren't bust. But its still early so Iwouldn't give up on Devin yet..and we are yet to see Kelly play. But if we have these 4 vets on the team we will have experieince until these rookies show up hopefully later in the season.
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Im mad I missed the game because of work. After reading some post, maybe it was a good thing. I just want to see Zorn light a fire on our team a..
I had to read this twice. I watched the game I almost thought you said you wanted to see Zorn light the team on fire...
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I think Zorn was talking about J.Taylor. I didn't hear anything about Jansen. Although at this point he's playing much more like a liability than an asset.
I did,he talked about Taylor and Jansen.
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I had to read this twice. I watched the game I almost thought you said you wanted to see Zorn light the team on fire...
He should! LOL.
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Redskins.com website: "In a surprisingly poor showing" I just had to laugh at this. I hope we don't have anymore of these surprisingly poor showings.
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I don't know why the hell people think Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly are going to become Randy Moss and T.O. They are rookies and will not contribute that much this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what typically happens. We've improved our WR groups for the 2009 season, not next season. If we wanted to improve our wideouts for this season, we should have signed a veteran.
Who is saying that ?!? Randy Moss and T.O. ? No Warpather that I've heard has made that kind of comparison to Kelly and Thomas who have hardly even played. All I said was that I'm not ready to ask for a refund on them yet.

I think the plan all along was to see if either Thomas or Kelly could step up and provide some help at the #2 spot, with Randle El in the slot; and if things went really well, they could be the future #1 and #2 somewhere down the road.
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Who is saying that ?!? Randy Moss and T.O. ? No Warpather that I've heard has made that kind of comparison to Kelly and Thomas who have hardly even played. All I said was that I'm not ready to ask for a refund on them yet.

I think the plan all along was to see if either Thomas or Kelly could step up and provide some help at the #2 spot, with Randle El in the slot; and if things went really well, they could be the future #1 and #2 somewhere down the road.
I was being a bit sarcastic...and you're right, no one is making those claims. However, I'm glad you mentioned that Thomas and Kelly are (hopefully) the wideouts of the future. Because, I think that if we have problems with our passing game (like last year), then I think we fail to address this problem by getting rookies WR, because they will not contribute right away.
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