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Old 08-24-2008, 11:52 AM   #16
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I didn't see the game, I'll watch the replay on NFL-N at 1pm but I doubt that, as seems to be the prevailing notion on here, that we are destined to be the '07 Dolphins all of a sudden. We got our asses kicked.

You may want to find something better to do. We got steam rolled. Even though it was only preseason I had to stop watching at half time. I simply couldn't watch anymore. I'm not the negative nanny type but I kept grasping for anything that would help me understand the blow out.

I kept thinking maybe it's the plays Zorn picked for the team to learn during this game, but that does not answer the tackling issue the Defense had. I kept going back to Zorn saying something along the lines of ...."I'm not going to hold anything back during preseason." ....I think everyone got the impression Zorn's offense would be so good the other teams would have to find a way to stop it. Then the first preseason game against the Cults...minus Manning gave us false hope.

I don't think we are as bad as last night ,but ...we definitly have to resolve some issues before the season starts. Also if I remember correctly the Panthers are a good team up until the second half. Usually they start to wear down. They are not a 4 quarter team. Most teams start pounding them early and after half time it shows and teams even the score. In other words when they finally get down to the 53 man roster let that same team play 4 quarters like it did last night. Hopefully we have a better showing next week against another team gunning for the SB the Jaguars.
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Old 08-24-2008, 12:05 PM   #17
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Well there was this one from this thread..

Also:
-This won't happen under Bill Cowher next year

-Cerrato needs to be fired and we need a real GM

-If Patrick Ramsey was only given a fair chance we wouldn't be wondering if Campbell can be our QB

-Collins won 4 games in '07 and should be the starter

-Why don't we bring back Lavar Arrington


I didn't see the game, I'll watch the replay on NFL-N at 1pm but I doubt that, as seems to be the prevailing notion on here, that we are destined to be the '07 Dolphins all of a sudden. We got our asses kicked. You know what, it happens. We've gotten our asses kicked before and will again. Just as 3 preseason wins doesn't win us a Lombardi Trophy, a bad preseason loss doesn't lock up the #1 pick. The recall to 2006 is much different, we looked horrible from the first snap of the preseason, not just one game. Other than last night, we've looked pretty decent in all phases the entire summer, the wheels didn't permanently come off the wagon last night.
LOL how could I forget the "we need a GM" stuff.
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Old 08-24-2008, 12:34 PM   #18
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I thought this post was worth pointing out:

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Old 08-24-2008, 12:51 PM   #19
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collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!!
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I know some people feel better after they sleep it off -- but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.


Frost looked good............LOL.
No that's not good because that means we might actually keep him and see him shanking punts all over the place again this year...lol
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collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!!
Right on time! lol!
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No that's not good because that means we might actually keep him and see him shanking punts all over the place again this year...lol
I'm with you...but .....I was trying to find the only bright spot even it it's not were we wanted it to be.
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It was obvious that the panthers took this game more seriosly than the skins. Steve Smith was all over the place, making efforts that i didn't see the skins WRs make. C. Portis def didnt run as hard as the panthers Rbs. Jansen looked really bad, and of course C. Samuels got man handled by a speed rusher, its his MO now.

I really think that after J. Taylor went down, all the other starter just went into self protection mode. Just don't get hurt, this game is basically just a practice.
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Also, I kept wanting to see some player leadership (on the field and sidelines) and I wanted to see some coaches in some players faces (not looking at overhead photos). Which coach is our fire breather?
That was something I noted last night too. There was a lot of head hanging on the sideline, and not enough motivation. I saw guys individually walk over to Campbell a few times and talk and then walk away. I really hope they're not getting frustrated with him.
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Hey the sun did rise, i get to watch this game again now on NFL Network.
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That was something I noted last night too. There was a lot of head hanging on the sideline, and not enough motivation. I saw guys individually walk over to Campbell a few times and talk and then walk away. I really hope they're not getting frustrated with him.
Well, they didn't show it on TV but supposedly Jim Zorn's head nearly exploded after that third sack on Campbell and he gave Bugel and earful...
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Let's see how they respond over the next 2 weeks. I don't need fire and brimstone. I need actual leadership that leads to better play. Different teams and coaches have different styles. Zorn's persona, and especially with the public, is even-keeled. Let's see how that translates to improved play on the field.

Look, if a fiery team gets smacked, everyone says "they should shut up and play ball." If a quieter team loses, everyone says "where's the fire?"

The trick is to play better and win. That's all that matters. There is no single way to lead or to get fired up.
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Let's see how they respond over the next 2 weeks. I don't need fire and brimstone. I need actual leadership that leads to better play. Different teams and coaches have different styles. Zorn's persona, and especially with the public, is even-keeled. Let's see how that translates to improved play on the field.

Look, if a fiery team gets smacked, everyone says "they should shut up and play ball." If a quieter team loses, everyone says "where's the fire?"

The trick is to play better and win. That's all that matters. There is no single way to lead or to get fired up.
Agreed, one thing I did like to see though was Zorn's brutal honesty during the post game presser, none of this "well, this team fought their guts out" stuff we used to hear (sorry Joe Gibbs, I love you but it was getting thin)...he was straight up, the team played like crap, it was beaten down to the last man, and it needs to get better...
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:51 PM   #29
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safety karrem moore looked good .Douty is not a starter without landry were average at best. the defense got hung out out to dry they played good early.jason cambell is a blind man.
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Memphisskin, I think you touched on some thoughtful points, but you put too much of a positive spin on things.

I do agree that of the two units, I'm far less concerned about the defense. LaRon Landry is indeed the lynchpin of our defense, and without his range back there we are no better than average on D. With him, we can be a top 10 defense.

Still, our inability to stop the run was alarming. Kareem Moore and Doughty took horrific angles and tackled poorly, I have no doubt Landry would have stopped Williams and Stewart on those two large runs and limited them to 10-15 yard gains. But the core problem really was that our front seven couldn't keep Carolina's backs from getting into the secondary. Even if Landry were there to stop those long runs, the way Carolina was consistenly opening holes, I have no doubt they would have just marched down the field anyway, springing the backs for 8-yard gain after 8-yard gain until they methodically marched into the end zone.

Our front 7 has a TON of work to do. I've seen them do it before, so I'm not THAT concerned, but it's still alarming.

As for the offense, we should be very concerned. This is two weeks in a row now that Campbell has hesitated. He is not making quick reads and quick decisions (even when given enough time to throw). These are the telltale signs of a guy still learning an offense. The WCO is dependent upon the timing and the ability of the QB to make quick reads. You must be confident in your knowledge of the offense to make the reads quickly enough. You can tell Campbell is nowhere close.

And of course, none of that will matter if we can't protect the QB, because then not only will we miss opportunities, but we'll take sacks and turn the ball over.

The offense has MILES to go, we're showing signs of being the worst offense in the league. Yes, maybe it's just preseason and we didn't bring our bread and butter. We can hope that's the case - but nothing we've seen over the past two weeks gives us any indication that will be the case.

Too many fans are dismissing this poor performance on the HOPE that "it's just preseason." But careful and thoughtful analysis indicates that we suck balls at this point.

Someone in another thread said we're headed for a 1-4 start. I'd actually be impressed with the coaching staff if we manage to do better than that.

We're in for a tough year.
In my opinion campbell has always locked on to his primary receiver and not shown the ability or confidence to read defenses and check down to another receiver before his 2.9 seconds are up. this being said campbell has great pocket presence and will get better. thats one of the reasons we brought zorn on board.

i dont have to "hope" its preseason, it WAS a preseason game lol! (i know what you meant thoo, just couldnt resist)

go skins!!

we will be an 8-8 team give or take a game (and a suisham kick) and will yet again need to go on a run in the end to push into the playoffs. our D dictates our success and we have pretty much the same squad as last year.
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