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Old 08-24-2008, 06:00 PM   #46
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Re: Hey, the sun did rise this morning!

My god is the sky falling? I was at last nights game and it seemed as though carolina came out looking like a team that hadnt played a game in 10 days with a clear game plan. Listen folks i understand game 3 of the preseason is suppose to be a look at the regular season but i am not a believer in gauging anything by preseason play. I was hoping to see more than what i saw last night....am I a little worried....if i said no i'd be lying but shall i go over the list of everyone who didnt play last night and no to mention I think Joe Bugel has been away from the team for a while dealing with his own personal tragedy and the pyschological blow of seeing Jason taylor laying on the ground. All I am simply suggesting is lets not lose our heads over this. We as a team and a fan base need to all put this behind us...as hard as it might and move forward. Sept 4 is approaching fast and we need to get over this. FYI I was almost kicked out of the gridiron club last night when carolina's coach challenged the on play when they were up 44-3.....who the f*ck challenges a play like that when they are winning so handily? but as the title of this thread says...the sun did rise again today...and by all accounts it will set tonight. Word for the day fellow redskin fans is....RELAX!
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:19 PM   #47
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Why has NO ONE (on comcast or other media & the warpath - correct me if I'm wrong) mentioned that the poor play came after a tough week w/Buges' daughter & Gene Upshaw passing away on thursday?

Team can get blown out simply cause they're flat. Seems that aside from a few guys that had reason to play hard, the team spirit was not there. I'd rather see them flat in a preseason game.

I certainly am not discounting all those here that pointed out the problems w/the O, I am troubled by it as well. But one play stands out to me as an example of how this game might be a huge anomaly, Samuels getting bull rushed by Peppers. Sure Peppers can beat him in any game, but he's not likely to do it that way. Plays like that happen when you're not focused; Samuels didn't get low enough & allowed him to gain leverage. He's an all-pro tackle yet he had a bad game too. I think that play summed up the whole night.

JWSleep makes a good point, if Betts doesn't fumble that ball we were on a drive & only down 6-0. Even though carolina had dominated to that point they only had 6 points. If we'd have been able to finish that drive, the night might've gone differently. In a preseason game though, it's easy to see why the D would lose its intensity after being on the field for so long.
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:53 PM   #48
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I know I'm not usually positive beacon of light around here, but I submit that this could actually be good for the team in the long run.

First, it's preseason. Yeah, we looked awful in every aspect of the game, yeah we got our asses handed to us by the Carolina Panthers for a full 60 minutes. But, in the grand scheme of things, come the first week of the regular season we're all back to 0-0. This doesn't hurt our chances of the playoffs or a Super Bowl.

Second, I think this could really beneficial if you think about it. We were 3-0, feeling good, thinking we're hot stuff and ready to take over the league. What happened last night was that a LOT of our weaknesses were exposed in a big way. We now have a nice punchlist of items to address in practice with respect to the weak defense and offense.

Sure, ideally we'd be so good that there wouldn't be any problems to even address. If any of you really think we're on the brink of an undefeated season culminating in a Super Bowl, we won't have any injuries and every game we play will be flawless, you're in for a bit of a shock.

I know it's the silver lining on a dark cloud, but at least our weaknesses were exposed and we can now work on them.

Someone once said something along the lines of, "Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from screwing things up."

Sometimes it takes failing in a big way to recognize what you need to work on to succeed. I'd much rather have this revelation the fourth game of the preseason than figure it out five games into the regular season when it's really hard to right the ship.
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Old 08-24-2008, 07:50 PM   #49
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collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!!
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:04 PM   #50
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hey mods whoever the first one to start the collins should be the starter thread should be banned forever.....the idea of collins needing to be the starter is as credible as the skins should name me as starting qb...i do have the physical tools...6'5 240 and a lefty..lol.... collins looks like a deer caught in the headlights everytime this preseason i have seen him play. campbell is our guy...win lose or draw thats who i want behind center.
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hey mods whoever the first one to start the collins should be the starter thread should be banned forever.....the idea of collins needing to be the starter is as credible as the skins should name me as starting qb...i do have the physical tools...6'5 240 and a lefty..lol.... collins looks like a deer caught in the headlights everytime this preseason i have seen him play. campbell is our guy...win lose or draw thats who i want behind center.
Yeah, as much as JC has struggled as of late TC clearly is not ready to come in the way he did last year.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:34 PM   #52
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My first post since the game last night...

That was about as bad a performance as I've seen in a long time. Maybe the Patriots game last year compares, but the Patriots had one of the best offenses ever.

There's no need for positives, b/c there was none. Maybe the punter, but that's about it.

Can we rebound? Sure. Do I have major concerns about the offense? Yes. We haven't had one of our draft choices show any signs of being able to contribute during the regular season yet. That just leaves us, SM and ARE. I'm not sold on them getting it done.

Do I have major concerns about our D? Yes. I like Greg Blache but he hasn't proven he's of the Gregg Williams caliber yet.

This is after watching the first three preseason games. We just have a lot of question marks still. Of course, last night was about as close to live bullets as possible and we bombed. I'm not bailing but I do have major concerns.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:43 PM   #53
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What a mess. The game was encompassed by negative energy from the start as both Channel 9 and Comcast Sports Net had technical difficulties with their production of The Redskins broadcast. To mask these difficulties they decided to inundate us with 15 minutes of straight commercials. After a while, I too started to feel for the endangered Orangutans. Watching 15 minutes of straight commercials is irritating enough. But watching The Redskins get completely dismantled by the Carolina Panthers 47-3 in their fourth, and most important, pre-season game is down right excruciating. When coaches take the time to set up a game plan for an opponent, you don’t expect to lose by 44 points. When you play your best players an entire half, you don’t expect to lose by 44 points. So why the hell did we lose by 44 points?!

There were issues on offense, defense, and special teams but most disturbing was the play of our offensive line. We had none. We might as well have marched the U.S woman’s gymnastics team out onto the field. Jon Jansen cannot play anymore. Period. He is a non factor against the pass rush and only adequate in run support. I actually thought Chris Samuels was the strong point of our line, at least until he was driven back 10 yards into quarterback Jason Campbell.

The quarterback play wasn’t much better. What Jim Zorn calls “inadequate” I call horrendous. Campbell, you have to get rid of the ball. I swear to God if I see one more pump fake I’m gonna lose it. Collins, you waste of a contract you. We could put Marcus Mason in your place but instead we have to watch your statuesque, uncomfortable looking self out there. And Colt is just Colt. A nice preseason novelty. My feelings on Colt are ambiguous. He is not gonna help the Redskins this year and thus should not be talked about from this point on.

Defensively I was awestruck. The product out on the field this evening had absolutely no resemblance to the solid unit that Gregg Williams had showcased only a year ago. In fact, I bet Gregg Williams is having a nice little chuckle right about know. Our defensive line was horrendous against the run. The Panthers had not one, but two long runs straight through the heart of our defense for touchdowns. We need a new safety and a capable corner who can start alongside Shawn Springs. Carlos Rogers continues to struggle when making plays on the ball. If Fred Smoot could play half as well as he could talk, he might be half decent. Dancing after making a tackle when your defense is getting absolutely abused? Are you kidding me?!

As you can see I am quite disappointed in tonight’s performance. While the Skins humiliating performance does not spell certain doom, it does raise a number of questions. The good news is the game does not count against our record. The bad news is this team opens up against the Giants in 12 days. If you thought the Panthers pass rush was scary, wait until our line has to match-up against the likes of Tuck and Umenyiora.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:50 PM   #54
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The QB position will get better just give it time. The defensive Secondary looks weak. I can now say I have absolutley no faith in him. All he is good for is a few hits. He lacks speed and ball skills. Does anyone agree with me?
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i hate to call people out but we have two very misinformed members here on the warpath. first of all rooster umenyiora appears to be done for the season and at the worst we wont be seeing him in 12 days. and vallin 21...who are you referring too? got two words for you laron landry. get him back there and things are going to be differnet.
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Just a couple of things...

- Campbell has a lot of work to do. He f'ed up yesterday, and good players learn from their mistakes and move on. Collins is not the answer, and neither is Brennan, so everyone get over yourselves and let JC learn from this. Luckily it is the preseason.

- Reed Doughty is an average player, he's not Sean Taylor nor is he Laron Landry. We were fortunate to have an elite Safety tandem last year, but tragically we lost that. Moore and Horton are rookies, and they are not the answer this year, they will be the answer next season. Doughtly looked bad yesterday, but so did all the starters, and we're not going to bench them all (don't answer that).

- Like someone mentioned, I'm glad there are no "this team fought its guts out" quotes from the coaches. I hope they are taking this loss hard, and learning from their mistakes.

- And finally, I think a lot of us (at least I a) are dissappointed b/c we're seeing the same weak offense again. Seriously a lot of us are not expecting a trip to the SB, but I am tired of the anemic offense this team has. I hope they fix this soon.

- Finally, we could be in a worst situation, Taylor could be out for the season like Osi is...so at least we left this game somewhat healthy.
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i hate to call people out but we have two very misinformed members here on the warpath. first of all rooster umenyiora appears to be done for the season and at the worst we wont be seeing him in 12 days. and vallin 21...who are you referring too? got two words for you laron landry. get him back there and things are going to be differnet.
Let me inform you since you dont understand. First I am talking about Reed doughty. Second I never said Landry wouldn't be bad because I knew he would be out. If you didn't realize this Vaoutlaws2006 it takes 2 safties to have a great secondary. ie Sean Taylor Laron Landry last year.
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The QB position will get better just give it time.
My question is : When?

He still has the same QB rating he had when he first walked on the field in 2006.

Virtually no progress, whatsoever.

If anything, he is regressing.

When will he start to get better?

When?

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but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.
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My question is : When?

He still has the same QB rating he had when he first walked on the field in 2006.

Virtually no progress, whatsoever.

If anything, he is regressing.

When will he start to get better?

When?

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Well hopefully it gets better by having a coach who actually wants to have Campbell in as QB.
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