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Old 08-26-2008, 03:06 PM   #16
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Re: Todd Collins: Best Backup QB in the NFL?

im with you schneed..collins wins games that were a TOTAL team effort, if JC was in there i have no doubts he could have rallied the troops as well.
I think collins did a great job AFTER gibbs gave up the reins to saunders and let him call the offense...but if i was in the same offense for 11 years id hope to have a damn good knowledge of it too..
call me a pessimist. but i think tc is not that great in a new system..hes been a career backup for a reason
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It's about being right, not about feeling slighted.

TC is not the best backup QB in the NFL; it's a straight-up disagreement with Don Banks. That's all it is.
It's just his opinion against ours.

Not sure how anyone can be proven right in this case.
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:16 PM   #18
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It's just his opinion against ours.

Not sure how anyone can be proven right in this case.
Yeah I'm with ya, I don't think anybody's trying to prove their case. You can probably show stats to support one's opinion on the matter, but in the end it's just a debate on opinions.

I was just responding to your post saying "you just can't win." It's not about winning with me as a writer, at least in my case. I'm not looking for an opinion to prop up the 'Skins. I'm just looking for good opinions, and I don't agree with Banks here.

But it's splitting hairs really, because I do like TC a lot and do think we have one of the better backups in the league. I just can't get too carried away with five starts where the line finally jelled and the WRs finally got healthy. In the minds of the national media (at least in the mind of Banks), Collins went from an unknown assumed to be a bum in 2006 to the best backup in the league after 2007. Both assessments are on the extreme end of reality, IMO.
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dude i bet brunell was glad to get out of here..he made a ton of money and never felt any love from the fans.
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Hey it could be worse, we could have David Carr, Alex Smith, or Chris Redman as our backups. LOL.
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Re: Todd Collins: Best Backup QB in the NFL?

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It's funny, whenever one of our player gets some nice props people want to knock them down. But whenever we feel they got "dissed" we're up in arms over it. You just can't win.

Well one thing we can agree on Matty is the receivers arent up in arms... Of course that is because we are still in need of a tall receiver like Joe Horn (see other thread)...if our short receivers are up in arms we just cant see them
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:21 PM   #22
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what we need is to just paralyze eli....that will allay all our fears of a spurrier repeat
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:16 PM   #23
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The fact that Colt Brennan isn't listed #1 clearly demonstrates his lack of knowledge.
I think he knows a inside tip that Brennan will start the season as our starter.

In all seriousness i think that Brady Quinn is better then Collins.
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I think he knows a inside tip that Brennan will start the season as our starter.

In all seriousness i think that Brady Quinn is better then Collins.
Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:19 PM   #25
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i think there are a few peopl eout there that are better than collins,
brady quinn, seneca wallace, lienart, griese, etc etc...the list goes on.
I do think colt is the man tho. I kno wi know hes a rook....nothing proven...but you just get that feeling sometimes
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I think TC is a top 5 back-up. But the best back-up in the NFL is Kerry Collins. I think he's better than half the current starters in the league. He's better than the starter on his own team! I just don't understand why a team like Baltimore doesn't just go out and get a guy like Kerry Collins.
I think there are a lot of good backups in the NFL, but I don't think Kerry Collins is one of them. He might be better than Young right now though, he was last year.

But I do agree with you that if Baltimore wanted a short term fix at QB (which is what they did with McNair), they could have gone out and got a Brunell, or a Kerry Collins, or a Griese, or a Leftwich, or a Culpepper, or a Sage Rosenfels, and they would be the overwhelming favorites in the AFC North. Not all of those guys are particularly great passers, but they are all known quantities who could win on a team with that kind of defense.
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Old 08-26-2008, 05:09 PM   #27
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Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.
I share WaldSkins opinion, but I don't know if I have a particularly great defense for that position. I would argue that being better than Todd Collins is exactly what I would expect from any 1st round pick in his 2nd year, and Brady Quinn is probably a special case in that he was the most complete prospect coming out of college in recent memory.

That, and I think a lot of people (Don Banks included) are tricking themselves into thinking that seeing that 7 good halves of football plus a shaky playoff game means that Todd Collins is a top of the line quarterback. He probably isn't, and he's on film now. We simply don't have any sort of significant sample on Todd Collins other then enough to say that the people (like me) who thought he didn't belong in the NFL were probably wrong.

Banks is making a big guess on Collins' future to rank him No. 1. I really hope we don't have to find out whether last year was for real or not.
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Old 08-26-2008, 05:13 PM   #28
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i hope so too..im ready for jasons reign to begin...he deserves it. I just want the redskins to have a franchise qb is that such a big thing to ask for?
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Banks's list is horrible in other places also. I mean, it seems to be full of bias because young QBs with similar career projection are spread out all over the list and past-their prime vets are spread out as well. Why is Trent Green 7, and Mark Brunell 18. They are the same old, injury-riddled, still-efficient-when-healthy passer. Yet, 10 spots apart.
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:04 PM   #30
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Re: Todd Collins: Best Backup QB in the NFL?

I don't care for Banks at all. I don't know what it is about him, maybe his history of misinformed columns that target the Redskins that I don't believe him to be an impartial journalist.

With that said, I think his choice of Collins as the best backup in the NFL is misguided because it's simply not the same offense and while I think Collins wouldn't kill us if forced to play, he's simply not as comfortable (to my surprise) in this offense.

Further, it seemed to me that Banks wasn't praising Collins as much as he was ripping the Redskins and implying there was dissension within the organization for Campbell being the starter.
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