Redskins vs. Jaguars Thread

[GusFrerotte]

[quote=vallin21;469021]I have always said this season falls on JC. If his doesn't produce early or show promise he'll be riding the bench in 09 to whoever is the starter.[/quote


His play will be everything if this team is going to return to the playoffs. In the beginning of preseason all 3 QB's looked good, but now Collins and Brennan look like they should be the ones competing for the starting job.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Marcus, Rocky, and Carlos all stay healthy, with Taylor and Carter going after the QB and Laron back there, I think we'll be ok defensively. I really do. But a lot of our starters seem fragile and our depth is lacking. That's my biggest worry on either side of the ball. Second would be the O-line, particularly the right side...

The first 5 games are so tough- 3 division road games and Arizona and New Orleans. I personally think NO will play Dallas in the NFC Championship game. Arizona, Dallas, and NO all have great offenses, and playing in Philly and New York will be so tough. I hope folks around here aren't devastated if we start 1-4 with our only win against Arizona. It's very possible.

Yep, I think 1-4 to start is very likely. My best guess is that our offense will continue to be ineffective for several games and in the meantime the defense will get very worn. If Zorn can help JC and the passing game get their shit together we could see a rebound in the 2nd half of the season, but it will still require a heroic effort from the defense to give us a chance.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Marcus, Rocky, and Carlos all stay healthy, with Taylor and Carter going after the QB and Laron back there, I think we'll be ok defensively. I really do. But a lot of our starters seem fragile and our depth is lacking. That's my biggest worry on either side of the ball. Second would be the O-line, particularly the right side...

The first 5 games are so tough- 3 division road games and Arizona and New Orleans. I personally think NO will play Dallas in the NFC Championship game. Arizona, Dallas, and NO all have great offenses, and playing in Philly and New York will be so tough. I hope folks around here aren't devastated if we start 1-4 with our only win against Arizona. It's very possible.

Unfortunately, I agree with you. 2-2 might be the best we can hope for. We are not playing good football as of late. Sure it is preseason, but our dumb mistakes and lack of execution the past few games doesn't bode well for the real deal next week.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Wow, actually, in looking at our schedule, I'd say only the Ravens and the Niners are the only teams without legitimate playoff potential.

I just hope we can knock off Dallas and split with our other intradivisional rivals as well. Would hate to get smoked by all 3. I could swallow 7-9 to 9-7 as long as we at least beat our rivals at least once.

[doughtydoubter]

Dude..we better not have another spurrier year..im drunk...morbidly depressed tonight...and if we dont have a good skins season i think it will puh me over the god damn brink....ill be done

[The Goat]

Probably rehashing old material from this thread but what surprises me most is how the starting offense doesn't look crisp. I didn't expect huge production because of the transition to WCO etc but definitely expected a crispness we lacked under Gibbs: way fewer penalties; short to medium routes that had guys open enough to consistently chip away yards; play-calling that seemed to keep the defense on its heals instead of getting to the ball so quickly.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I just hope we can knock off Dallas and split with our other intradivisional rivals as well. Would hate to get smoked by all 3. I could swallow 7-9 to 9-7 as long as we at least beat our rivals at least once.

I think that is exactly the range we are looking at for this season. In fact, I think we are basically 8-8 on the dot. If we go 1-4 in the first 5 then I think we'll end up 7-9, possibly 6-10. 2-3 or somehow 3-2 (which would be awesome) in the first 5, then 8-8 or 9-7 is very realistic. The schedule makers did us no favors in Sept/Oct...

[Skinz4life]

The bad thing is I actually got excited about how well they played in the first 2 preseason games, only to have my hope crushed by the last 2 games. I don't care that they didn't win the last 2 games, but they have looked awful. The penalties, dropped passes, and awful tackling are a joke. THose are things that well coached teams usually do pretty good.

[Ruhskins]

Our two rookie picks on the second round IMO were a waste if we wanted to improve our offense this year. We should have used one of our 2nd round picks to trade for a veteran wideout or aggressively gone after one in free agency. I know we wanted to not be agressive, but I don't think Thomas and Kelly were the answer. They could develop in two years, but unless we're in a rebuilding mode, they are not going to help.

I think people need to drop the safety issue, we have bigger problems at the LBs and CBs position. Not to mention the O-line on offense. If we're going to pick up someone off the waivers, it has to be a LB. We need depth in that area.

Finally, I agreed with the ppl that are saying that we're going to have a losing season, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm seeing the same anemic offense that we've had over the past three/four years. I think our bend but don't break defense will break this year if we have the same crappy offense that cannot pass the ball vertically, cannot avoid three and outs, and cannot put teams away. If JC doesn't get any better, then this team needs to go into rebuilding mode.

[Mattyk72]

Originally Posted by Skinz4life

The bad thing is I actually got excited about how well they played in the first 2 preseason games, only to have my hope crushed by the last 2 games. I don't care that they didn't win the last 2 games, but they have looked awful. The penalties, dropped passes, and awful tackling are a joke. THose are things that well coached teams usually do pretty good.

The lesson of the preseason is... don't get too excited when things are going well, and don't get too disappointed when they're not.

[GusFrerotte]

Our record depends on the play of JC and the defense. IF JC doesn't get it done say by games 10-11, I almost think we should give Brennan a go at it. Jc's inconsistency is daunting to say the least, not to mention he might not be able to survive an entire season.

[That Guy]

at least mason and colt played well... mcmullen looks like a keeper too, at least against scrubs. fincher got his name called about 400 times.

it was sad seeing mason (who got good yardage) get stuffed every time we had 1 yard to go. either he sucks at short yardage or that line wasn't getting it done.

tryon SUCKED... he got burnt on about 200 3rd downs, for 20+ yard gains, for TDs, i mean, he needs to go. there's no flashes, no skill, nothing. a bust and an embarrassment. no one's close to taking cartwright's job either... you wouldn't think returns were all that hard or that the concept of north/south running was difficult, but man...

safety play was better today, but i didn't get why when we had JAX at 3rd and 20+, we'd give everyone a 15 yard cushion... i understand not wanting to get beat deep, but that's a lot of field position that added up on those underneath throws, and we got burnt some anyways.

the prevent is the worst thing i've ever seen...

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Our record depends on the play of JC and the defense. IF JC doesn't get it done say by games 10-11, I almost think we should give Brennan a go at it. Jc's inconsistency is daunting to say the least, not to mention he might not be able to survive an entire season.

JC is looking like a back up more and more...not a NFL starting QB. I have to say we are in real trouble. His bad play is going to kill us! The line is showing it's age as well and no one can pull down a pass even when JC gets it to them. Our WR's are a joke so I can't put it all on JC. So much money and draft picks on WR's with little to show for it. Throw in a 1st round QB[JC] that is failing badly makes for bad days ahead. Our only hope is if we can still run the ball and the D can wake up. The Giants must be love us coming to town!

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Our two rookie picks on the second round IMO were a waste if we wanted to improve our offense this year. We should have used one of our 2nd round picks to trade for a veteran wideout or aggressively gone after one in free agency. I know we wanted to not be agressive, but I don't think Thomas and Kelly were the answer. They could develop in two years, but unless we're in a rebuilding mode, they are not going to help.

I think people need to drop the safety issue, we have bigger problems at the LBs and CBs position. Not to mention the O-line on offense. If we're going to pick up someone off the waivers, it has to be a LB. We need depth in that area.

Finally, I agreed with the ppl that are saying that we're going to have a losing season, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm seeing the same anemic offense that we've had over the past three/four years. I think our bend but don't break defense will break this year if we have the same crappy offense that cannot pass the ball vertically, cannot avoid three and outs, and cannot put teams away. If JC doesn't get any better, then this team needs to go into rebuilding mode.

I Think you are right about a old O line,WR's that are not much help and a QB that is starting to show he isn't going to be here in 2009. Could be a long season!

[irish]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

JC is looking like a back up more and more...not a NFL starting QB. I have to say we are in real trouble. His bad play is going to kill us! The line is showing it's age as well and no one can pull down a pass even when JC gets it to them. Our WR's are a joke so I can't put it all on JC. So much money and draft picks on WR's with little to show for it. Throw in a 1st round QB[JC] that is failing badly makes for bad days ahead. Our only hope is if we can still run the ball and the D can wake up. The Giants must be love us coming to town!

I think we are now really seeing the results of years of patching problems rather than trying to build depth through the draft. The O line is old and slow and there is not really any younger depth. The D line is too small and light. The D backs are too short, the WRs just dont have it and JC, well I think I'm being proven more correct each week.