Heyer will Start against Giants

djnemo65 · 08-31-2008, 08:20 PM

I also think it is ridiculous to argue that this is intended to be a "wake up move." Jansen is not Brandon Lloyd, bumming around and not living up to his contract. He's just old and increasingly ineffective. If you were going to make an example of someone, which I don't think Zorn would, it wouldn`t be Jansen. This is about winning in week one, nothing more.

2BIG2BSKINNY · 08-31-2008, 08:52 PM

with no games played in Zorn's tenure this IMO is a reputation alone means nothing...he will make the moves that need to be made...like Jansen who was recently unproductive.
Zorn is not cutting Jansen just putting him on notice...elevate your game or you will be gone.

It may be miniscule move that needed to be done but a move that some in the past have not made. Jansen being the stand up guy he is will rebound and recover a bit and hopefully get better in the next couple of weeks...

If history says anything he will be called upon at some time for his services.

ChillWill · 08-31-2008, 08:56 PM

I think Jansen's teammates also recognized the demise of his play and made it known by not naming him as one of their captains.

GoSkins! · 08-31-2008, 09:44 PM

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

What he does say is:

"It really doesn't matter how I grade myself,"
explanations were "nothing that I felt was reason enough."
I've felt I've done a good job this preseason. I didn't play very well against the Panthers, but neither did anybody else. Until then, I've had lot people in the organization tell me I was having the best camp I've ever had."

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

ChillWill · 08-31-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

My Sentiments exactly. How could he watch himself on tape and think that he was playing well. How did Buges allow him to have such an unrealistic view of his play. As I watched a few practices it was very evident. Heyer played well against NY last year so I am confident he will do well again. Eventually Heyer will be a better run blocker as well.

djnemo65 · 08-31-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

All I have to say is that I want to thank Jansen for his years .. and everything he's done. He is a work horse and he has tried and tried to give his BEST.. he deserves the best.. THANK YOU JANSEN for 11 years!!!

11 years? Are you thanking him for his time at Michigan too?

skinsfan_nn · 08-31-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Jansen was going into his 11th year here with the Skins...

Jansen was drafted by the Skins in 1999.

skinsfan_nn · 08-31-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Which would make his 11th year 09.. begining this year... I'm sorry, was I off my 6 months.. my bad.. Whatever.. .. (rolling my eyes)

Roll on....maybe this will simplify it for you. JJ is going on his 10th season with the Skins! Pretty simple to understand.

Jon Jansen

GTripp0012 · 08-31-2008, 10:52 PM

Well, it was his 9th season in 2007. Which makes it his 10th season now.

I don't understand what is being contested here. People have looked it up and Jansen is in his 10th year.

djnemo65 · 08-31-2008, 11:13 PM

It's actually 9. You can't thank someone for a year that hasn't been played yet. And yes, I am bored too.

FRPLG · 09-01-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Bottom line, Jansen had a horrible pre-season. Stevie Wonder could have seen that. I like the fact that coach Zorn has the guts to make the call before we got two or three games into the season, and watch Jansen struggle horribly. He's making this a non-controversy before it get's off the ground. Good call.

Agreed. He sucked in pre-season. Fact. Hard to argue that he deserved the job. The benched him now rather than let him get handled and lose us a game. He can be upset, I would too, but in the grand scheme this has been on the horizon for several seasons. Heyer has a shot to be a good tackle and we should find out now if that is the case. I don't see how Heyer can be worse. I love Jansen but this was inevitable.

Defensewins · 09-01-2008, 09:53 AM

Signing him to a big contract last year kind of hurts now.

rypper11 · 09-01-2008, 10:25 AM

He'll be starting again before year end. More than anything else, I think this sends the message to the players that anyone can get demoted at any time.

GoSkins! · 09-01-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Agreed. He sucked in pre-season. Fact. Hard to argue that he deserved the job. The benched him now rather than let him get handled and lose us a game. He can be upset, I would too, but in the grand scheme this has been on the horizon for several seasons. Heyer has a shot to be a good tackle and we should find out now if that is the case. I don't see how Heyer can be worse. I love Jansen but this was inevitable.

I think that we aren't just seeing a coach finding out if Heyer can be a good tackle. We are seeing a coach say you have to earn the right to start, and last year doesn't count. Heyer played better in preseason than Jansen. Therefore he is starting. Period.

dmek25 · 09-01-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillWill

I think Jansen's teammates also recognized the demise of his play and made it known by not naming him as one of their captains.

i disagree with this. i think you can have anyone be a captain, as long as they have the right leadership skills, and have the respect of their teammates. it shouldn't have anything to due with talent

08-31-2008, 08:20 PM	#31
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants I also think it is ridiculous to argue that this is intended to be a "wake up move." Jansen is not Brandon Lloyd, bumming around and not living up to his contract. He's just old and increasingly ineffective. If you were going to make an example of someone, which I don't think Zorn would, it wouldn`t be Jansen. This is about winning in week one, nothing more.

08-31-2008, 08:52 PM	#32
2BIG2BSKINNY Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 208	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants with no games played in Zorn's tenure this IMO is a reputation alone means nothing...he will make the moves that need to be made...like Jansen who was recently unproductive. Zorn is not cutting Jansen just putting him on notice...elevate your game or you will be gone. It may be miniscule move that needed to be done but a move that some in the past have not made. Jansen being the stand up guy he is will rebound and recover a bit and hopefully get better in the next couple of weeks... If history says anything he will be called upon at some time for his services.

08-31-2008, 08:56 PM	#33
ChillWill Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 58 Posts: 151	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants I think Jansen's teammates also recognized the demise of his play and made it known by not naming him as one of their captains.

08-31-2008, 09:44 PM	#34
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 43 Posts: 1,576	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that. What he does say is: "It really doesn't matter how I grade myself," explanations were "nothing that I felt was reason enough." I've felt I've done a good job this preseason. I didn't play very well against the Panthers, but neither did anybody else. Until then, I've had lot people in the organization tell me I was having the best camp I've ever had." Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

08-31-2008, 10:52 PM	#39
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants Well, it was his 9th season in 2007. Which makes it his 10th season now. I don't understand what is being contested here. People have looked it up and Jansen is in his 10th year. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

08-31-2008, 11:13 PM	#40
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants It's actually 9. You can't thank someone for a year that hasn't been played yet. And yes, I am bored too.

09-01-2008, 09:53 AM	#42
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants Signing him to a big contract last year kind of hurts now.

09-01-2008, 10:25 AM	#43
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,217	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants He'll be starting again before year end. More than anything else, I think this sends the message to the players that anyone can get demoted at any time. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

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