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Old 09-05-2008, 01:28 AM   #76
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Let me ask you a question Gtripp? Was it the fact that I used the word bitch that bothered you? I didn't do anything wrong except use the word bitch right?
I'm not bothered. I think you've totally overreacted, and then you tried to draw an asinine political tie when skinsguy was being rational. I was simply saying the thread was retarded.

It boils down to you being ridiculously impatient. I don't care what you call Campbell, but you've been on his side the whole offseason, and if 15 plays can convince you otherwise, I don't know what I can say to you besides "thats crazy."

He'll play better in the future -- obviously.
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Old 09-05-2008, 01:32 AM   #77
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I'm not going to say we wouldn't have won this game with Peyton Manning at Quarterback, because we did hold them to 17 points. And Quarterback was certainly part of the problem tonight.

Other problems:

-No semblance of a running game
-Poor run defense
-No pressure on the QB in the first half
-Multiple Blown Coverages on the Giants TD Drive
-Piss poor blocking most of the night
-Receivers never, ever open

The defensive problems were minor, and as the game went on, they disapeared. The offensive issues seem to be rather major, and not bound to fix themselves anytime soon. Rest assured that Jason Campbell will be part of the solution, and a force that offsets the other problems. It will take time though.

If that isn't acceptable to you, then don't watch the games. It's not worth your time, because there are about 20 teams in the NFL that are better than this one that you can be rooting for.
thank you GTripp the blame was not totally on JC.
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Let me get this straight. I argue that JC is not capable and you say that(directed to me) Matty might have to step in after that in general why don't you watch another team? I was a JC fan all along so when I get mad about his development this year you come up with this?
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Let me get this straight. I argue that JC is not capable and you say that(directed to me) Matty might have to step in after that in general why don't you watch another team? I was a JC fan all along so when I get mad about his development this year you come up with this?
You don't sound like a JC fan
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On the hierarchy of blame for this one, I'd put Campbell no higher than 4th or 5th..
D-Line-not getting any push in the running game
WR-Moss, catch the f'ing ball. The rest of you, get to the 1st down sticks. They were drive killers all night!
DB (Rogers)-Catch the f'ing ball
Campbell-He's thinking way too much, as to be expected at this stage of learning the offense but giving him the chances to throw the ball and get in a rhythm will help accelerate that.
OL-Too many breakdowns in protection

To put this loss on Campbell proves that you have no actual knowledge about football and are simply echoing the morons that always blame or praise the QB for the team's fortunes.
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You don't sound like a JC fan
He was bad very bad tonight. I realize that he will go through growing pains, but that was hard to watch. I sure as hell hope I am wrong. Like I said I have been a big JC supporter.
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You don't sound like a JC fan
He sounds like a disgruntled JC fan.

It's kinda like how when you find out how Santa isn't real anymore. You keep hoping and wishing and then one day you're like... "Well damn."

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I'm not going to say we wouldn't have won this game with Peyton Manning at Quarterback, because we did hold them to 17 points. And Quarterback was certainly part of the problem tonight.

Other problems:

-No semblance of a running game
-Poor run defense
-No pressure on the QB in the first half
-Multiple Blown Coverages on the Giants TD Drive
-Piss poor blocking most of the night
-Receivers never, ever open

The defensive problems were minor, and as the game went on, they disapeared. The offensive issues seem to be rather major, and not bound to fix themselves anytime soon. Rest assured that Jason Campbell will be part of the solution, and a force that offsets the other problems. It will take time though.

If that isn't acceptable to you, then don't watch the games. It's not worth your time, because there are about 20 teams in the NFL that are better than this one that you can be rooting for.
You're the man . . .

I just don't get why some fans can't accept that this team is gonna take time to get into an offensive rhythm.

Yes the offense looked god awful, Campbell isn't making his reads quick enough, and our chances of blowing teams away offensively right now look very bleak. Zorn would tell you the same thing I'm sure.

But Campbell has talent, Zorn knows how to coach QB's, and I have patience. I just hope Snyder does too . . .

P.S. I was happy to see the D-line can get pressure on a QB finally, but we REALLY need to fix our run Defense.
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Either way, I'm thinking this year is Campbell's "make it, or break it year." No matter how many games this team wins this season, Campbell needs to show that he can adapt to this offense. I'm thinking if it doesn't look like he's making any progress by mid-season, it could be possible that we'd maybe see Colt. I, too, wouldn't be unhappy if that happens, but I just want the best guy for the job, no matter who it is.
Campbell has 2 more years on his rookie contract, he will play those out unless he becomes Kyle Boller all of the sudden. This is not a make or break year for Campbell, if anything, it will be next year.

It is UNIVERSALLY understood by anyone with a smidgen of football knowledge that Colt is at least 2 years from being a viable BACKUP so the Cult of Colt might as well take a seat next to him on the bench.
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Let me get this straight. I argue that JC is not capable and you say that(directed to me) Matty might have to step in after that in general why don't you watch another team? I was a JC fan all along so when I get mad about his development this year you come up with this?
Okay. It looks like I've offended you somewhat. I'd like to just say I'm sorry and be done with it, but that would be partially insincere. The goal was to get you to think rationally (I'm under the impression that you are PUI -- posting under the influence, correct me if I'm wrong), because even though we disagree a lot, you are usually way more rational then this.

I think I've accomplished my goal to get you to be more rational. So now, I'm sorry if I offended you.

I can sympathize with your frustration with the offense, but I think you'd be best served to spread the blame/frusteration around and not act like Campbell's development curve is totally destroyed. This is a speed bump, not the Great Wall.
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Okay. It looks like I've offended you somewhat. I'd like to just say I'm sorry and be done with it, but that would be partially insincere. The goal was to get you to think rationally (I'm under the impression that you are PUI -- posting under the influence, correct me if I'm wrong), because even though we disagree a lot, you are usually way more rational then this.

I think I've accomplished my goal to get you to be more rational. So now, I'm sorry if I offended you.

I can sympathize with your frustration with the offense, but I think you'd be best served to spread the blame/frusteration around and not act like Campbell's development curve is totally destroyed. This is a speed bump, not the Great Wall.
Now I'm rational. Thank you. After we argued for so long on Brady vs Manning over two seasons did I meet your goal of being rational? You are right about one thing. I am frustrated.
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Campbell has 2 more years on his rookie contract, he will play those out unless he becomes Kyle Boller all of the sudden. This is not a make or break year for Campbell, if anything, it will be next year.

It is UNIVERSALLY understood by anyone with a smidgen of football knowledge that Colt is at least 2 years from being a viable BACKUP so the Cult of Colt might as well take a seat next to him on the bench.
I'm not so sure about that. Colt really really suprised me this pre season. I didn't think he could play at the NFL level but he looked like he belonged this pre season. He makes fast reads, gets rid of the ball quickly and is very accurate. I'm in no way saying he should be starting but lets see where he is next pre season.
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All i can say is Run - Run - Pass. Great job Zorn. Run into the teeth of the defense. end up with a third and 5-6 and do a dump off pass for 4-5 yds.

Zorn Failed to seize the game when the momentum was going the skins way. Once again, as in the past 4 years, he played it conservative.

WHERE THE F-WAS COOOLEY. Alll i saw all game long was campbell looking right and throwing that way.

Someone tell me how this is different than the gibbs system where the skins try to overpower the D with an O that is clearly over matched.

Zorn's early West Coast Offense = Gibbs 3.0
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He was bad very bad tonight. I realize that he will go through growing pains, but that was hard to watch. I sure as hell hope I am wrong. Like I said I have been a big JC supporter.
What in the hell were you expecting our offense to do against the Giants defense? Were you expecting a young Qb in his 3rd NFL offense in his 4th year to go off against the SB champs?? I honestly was expecting this.
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Now I'm rational. Thank you. After we argued for so long on Brady vs Manning over two seasons did I meet your goal of being rational? You are right about one thing. I am frustrated.
Like I said before, I thought you were wrong on Manning/Brady. I didn't think you were irrational.

I don't blame you for being frustrated.
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