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Old 09-05-2008, 09:42 AM   #31
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Re: play calling a huge concern.

But zone blocking isnt a new thing for the dirtbags either. Zone blocking has been part of buges philosphy for awhile. Maybe out of different formations. Has it occured to anybody...that maybe the players just really arent that sold on zorn? that they just really dont want to put it all on the line the way they did for gibbs and williams?
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:54 AM   #32
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But zone blocking isnt a new thing for the dirtbags either. Zone blocking has been part of buges philosphy for awhile. Maybe out of different formations. Has it occured to anybody...that maybe the players just really arent that sold on zorn? that they just really dont want to put it all on the line the way they did for gibbs and williams?
I haven't gotten that at all from anything or anywhere. All reports are the team likes and respects him. It amazes me the level of fear, doubt and disillusion that comes from one loss! It shouldn't amaze me but it still does.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:08 AM   #33
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The question is...does zorns offense give jason a chance to succeed? If jason doesnt have time, or open receievers or the right plays called...there is little hope of him looking comfortable. I could be wayyy off base, maybe zorn is a genius in the making who knows? But right now that ws some of the worst play calling, and game management i have EVER seen...including the dark "spurrier" days
I do think this offense gives JC a chance to succeed.
I don't think the playcalling was that bad for a rookie coach.
Zorn couldn't help it if his QB and receivers couldn't to execute the plays.
The Oline didn't help much with the running game and was causing penalties.
His corners couldn't catch interceptions.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:18 AM   #34
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I do think this offense gives JC a chance to succeed.
I don't think the playcalling was that bad for a rookie coach.
Zorn couldn't help it if his QB and receivers couldn't to execute the plays.
The Oline didn't help much with the running game and was causing penalties.
His corners couldn't catch interceptions.
I do agree in theory this system gives jason a cahnce to be successful. He has the arm..he did it in college, and the corners have no excuses for the drops.
but...as far as the execution of the oline and playcalling goes...if you run the most basic, scripted things a defense as capable as the giants or many in the nfl will be able to make it look like you "cant execute"
run run pass, run pass, run.. short pass short of the first on third...(with the exception of the play tha cooley was wide open) i think such a basic philosphy is all too easy to defend. Im not offering any solutions, other than i think that the play calling was subpar from the getgo and adjustments were not made correctly on the offensive side. If the head coach cant step up and make those adjustments in game...tha tis his fault and not the players and eventually the players will give up and lose faith.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:33 AM   #35
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The clock management at the end of both halves appears to be a continuing issue. Campbell has to know that getting tackled inbounds with less than a minute and all 3 timeouts is a NO-BRAINER timeout situation. We wasted 25 seconds, and were fortunate to get the TD before the half.

In the 4th quarter down two scores, I couldn't believe that we didn't go no huddle, and after running for a 1st down with under 3 minutes left, Zorn calls a running play on the next down??? You have to be kidding. Lastly, why not kick the FG with 30 seconds left and try for a miracle onside kick/hail Mary finish? I put poor clock management on Zorn, and that must improve.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:40 AM   #36
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The clock management at the end of both halves appears to be a continuing issue. Campbell has to know that getting tackled inbounds with less than a minute and all 3 timeouts is a NO-BRAINER timeout situation. We wasted 25 seconds, and were fortunate to get the TD before the half.

In the 4th quarter down two scores, I couldn't believe that we didn't go no huddle, and after running for a 1st down with under 3 minutes left, Zorn calls a running play on the next down??? You have to be kidding. Lastly, why not kick the FG with 30 seconds left and try for a miracle onside kick/hail Mary finish? I put poor clock management on Zorn, and that must improve.
I'm curious as to how much was Campbell audibling plays. I know he audibled to a run a couple of times.
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But zone blocking isnt a new thing for the dirtbags either. Zone blocking has been part of buges philosphy for awhile. Maybe out of different formations. Has it occured to anybody...that maybe the players just really arent that sold on zorn? that they just really dont want to put it all on the line the way they did for gibbs and williams?
I have seen nothing to indicate there's any truth to that.

Let's stick with what we know and stop with the silly speculation. I'm not directing that towards you specifically, just in general to the entire board.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:13 PM   #38
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Playcalling was not bad, not great, but not bad either. There should've been a greater sense of urgency under 4 min., but how much have the Skins worked on their 2 min O when they're learning a whole new offense. Rushing things and making a game ending mistake isn't a smart thing to do either. I do agree that a FG, then onsides would've been a better stategy late.

Penalties have a huge effect on playcalling, 2-15 is a lot worse than 2-7. I think there should've been a bit more play-action to get Campbell on the edge, while not Vince Young-he is a big physical QB who has some mobility, getting him on the edge puts pressure on the D.

Before we jump all over Zorn for the Offensive playcalling, I think we should look over on the defensive side also. Our D is very easy to read, when Landry is 15+ yards off, we're in man over 90% of the time. When both safeties are back in mid-short yardage we're in man, if longer it's Cover 2 Zone. If we as fans can see this, you can bet the opposing O can too. That's why Plax had such a big night, Eli knew the coverage was man and our CBs were overmatched against him. We were fortunate the Gaints O make a couple of mistakes in the 2nd half. I'd really like to see more Zone blitzing and attempts to disguise our coverage. We have athletic D-lineman who can drop into coverage.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:40 PM   #39
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the problem was we didn't pass enough until it was obvious we had to. The Giants new exactly what type of play was being called every time because I sure did. I would have liked to see 1 or 2 deep play actions on first or second down but they never came.
We started off the game passing a lot. The O-line couldn't hold up that's why we went to the run.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:42 PM   #40
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Zorn should've adjusted to the running game after it was obvious that our o-line was getting manhandled by the giants d-line. i dunno why he insisted on passing the ball first. it was only later when our running game was taking off that we were able to make passes (including that bomb to moss that should've been a TD had he stayed in his route).

Yes. Moss stopped because he thought the play ws over..If he had kept running he would have had the TD. A receiver should nver give up on a route.
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:00 PM   #41
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I don't think the play calls were half as bad as the execution. It seems like no matter what play was called something went wrong, illegal procedure, missed blocks,whatever. You are not going to win no matter what play you call if you don't execute it. Both times Randal-el jumped, it was on a play called for Cooley. Instead we go back 5 yards. Why did he jump? It was'nt because of the play called. We have alot of work to do. It's not time to point fingers. It's time to settle down and get busy.
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I don't think the play calls were half as bad as the execution. It seems like no matter what play was called something went wrong, illegal procedure, missed blocks,whatever. You are not going to win no matter what play you call if you don't execute it. Both times Randal-el jumped, it was on a play called for Cooley. Instead we go back 5 yards. Why did he jump? It was'nt because of the play called. We have alot of work to do. It's not time to point fingers. It's time to settle down and get busy.
I still can't get over the ARE false starts. It was ridiculous.
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Old 09-07-2008, 03:51 AM   #43
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Zorn just needs to run his offense. Too many times we lined up in two wide sets and ran the ball. If Zorn is going to lead this team anywhere, we need to hop out there and FULLY RUN THE WEST COAST OFFENSE! I went to a lot of sessions in Ashburn. I want to see those packages where they throw screens to Fred Davis when hes split wide left, ON FIRST DOWN. The West coast works by catching the defense off guard. Running the ball will never catch the Redskins opponents off guard because WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING THE DAMN BALL SINCE SPURRIER.(sorry to the fans like myself who blocked out the painful memory of that era. Trung Candidate, Shuler, ..tear)
Zorn needs to make Jason Campbell throw that shit 30-40 times a game, good or bad. He needs to throw those interceptions and learn like everyone else. When coachs have faith in their quarterbacks they call throws when they need first downs in key situations. Quaterbacks know that too. It's third and anything inside of five Portis is getting the ball. NOT TO DOWN PORTIS.(he plays hard as hell, a little crazy with the costumes but did you see that block? JACKED UP!!!) His talents will be best suited running draws, screens, and counters out of a three or four receiver set. CAN FRED DAVIS GET ON THE FIELD? CAN WE THROW THE M@#$%F%$#@@ING BALL TO CHRIS COOLEY)
I guess I'm just disappointed, but we are mismanaging talents from the top down as an organization right now. I think Snyder just needs to pay a guy to make the decisions for him. Parcells would have been a good fit, as blasphemous as that is to say being a former coach of the two most dispicable teams in the NFL, besides Philadelphia who is equally dispicable. Let's just play football. On some levels its complicated, but on Sunday it's about our team wanting to win more than the other squad.
The Giants are better and they were ready to execute their gameplan. Burress looked worth everything they paid him and he knew it. Brandon Jacobs DEMOLISHED our best defender. Eli went about his business with that stupid ass look like he always does. (His face looks like its stuck on the word "darn") Zorn was trying to get first downs with the starting offense. The "D" stood up but not really. We have problems to fix as a squad. They need to knight London Fletcher or something. GET MOTIVATED SKINS!! The city needs it!!
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We do not have the talant to throw the ball 40 times per game . If we go with three wr sets and throw , JC will get beaten like Ramsey . If you want JC to succeed we need to run , get the Defense to put 8 in the box then take some shots .
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We do not have the talant to throw the ball 40 times per game . If we go with three wr sets and throw , JC will get beaten like Ramsey . If you want JC to succeed we need to run , get the Defense to put 8 in the box then take some shots .
Not many teams do, it's just not a sound offensive approach either.
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