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Old 09-06-2008, 03:12 PM   #31
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Re: Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit??

Don't expect us to roll over the Saints, they did a great job shoring up their d this offseason with Jonathan Vilma and Sedrick Ellis.

We've got plenty of work to do, obviously, but I'm not jumping ship just yet. This probably has more to do with the fact that I missed the game because I had to work.

I still hold out hope that Zorn will identify all the mistakes made in the game, including his, and correct them this week in practice. From what I've seen most of the mistakes we made were very basic fundamental ones so they shouldn't be too hard to fix.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:19 PM   #32
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I think people just need to realize that man for man we just don't match up with the top teams in the NFL. We lack true playmakers on both sides of the ball and we are not a strong team in the trenches. When you add on that fact that our front office is below average and we've got a rookie head coach that looks to be a little in over his head you've got a 4-6 win team. Sometimes people just need to face the facts. I know it sucks cause we homers tend to think our guys are better then they really are. I think that's just the case, not only around here but all over town. Once people realize it then maybe we won't see all the overreacting.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:20 PM   #33
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I think Matty is right on about the overreaction we've seen both among us fans and in the media.
I think that is just the nature of the die-hard fan. We have so much passion that we take it harder when our team(s) perform poorly. $h!t, some of you probably remember my old signature and was bashing the Giants up until they beat Tampa Bay in the first round of the play-offs. My brother who is a steelers fan laughs at me because he thinks I am a putz because the day after the Super Bowl I was saying that despite the run, I wasn't convinced that Eli had actually turned the corner as a QB and didn't just happen to get hot at the right time.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:22 PM   #34
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you said it best!!!
As bad as they were they lost to the champs...I am waiting to get them back at our home later in the season when we hand them a sound thumping...Bring it!

People I think are just a little let down from waiting the whole off season and getting a very obvious team that needs more time to develop. I think if we put anything together offensively in the game we would have won...We didn't so we wait for week 2.

The saints are pretty week in defense...so I want 14 -21 points...not unrealistic I don't think!
If we don't score more than 14 points against the Saints than this offense truly is pathetic.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:22 PM   #35
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I guess maybe it's just the timing of the overreactions. Week 1 and people are already pulling the plug.
Well, I guess it kind of depends on what your definition of "overreaction" is.

If I said that based on what I saw in the preseason, and what I saw the other night, that we will not make the playoffs this season, is that an overreaction? I don't think so at all.

Now, am I saying ridiculous things like trading for Jason Taylor was a bad idea, and Jason Campbell is all wrong for the WCO? Hell no. But I definitely don't think we'll make the playoffs.

You said yourself the offense clearly needs time, alluding to the length of time Hasselbeck took to get up to speed in Seattle as precedent. And if you're willing to wait half a season for the offense to come around, aren't you really saying that you don't expect us to win very much during the first half of the year?

I mean, our defense is solid, but it's not spectacular. It's basically the same group from last year with the same schemes, which placed 9th in the NFL. That's above average, but not good enough to win games for us while our offense finds its way, a la Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens.

Now's about the time during this post when people start saying, "well yeah but it's still possible, there are 15 games left." Of course it's possible, that's not the question. Is it PROBABLE? That's the question.

If our expectations are that the offense will struggle as JC learns it, then we can't possibly expect the 'Skins to beat Dallas in Dallas and Philly in Philly, can we? It's possible, but not probable.

I'll give you this, an overreaction would be to say that it's impossible for the 'Skins to make the playoffs. But it would be right on point to say they probably won't - anything else is irrational exuberance buoyed by the emotional hopes of a football-starved fan in early September.
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I think people just need to realize that man for man we just don't match up with the top teams in the NFL. We lack true playmakers on both sides of the ball and we are not a strong team in the trenches. When you add on that fact that our front office is below average and we've got a rookie head coach that looks to be a little in over his head you've got a 4-6 win team. Sometimes people just need to face the facts. I know it sucks cause we homers tend to think our guys are better then they really are. I think that's just the case, not only around here but all over town. Once people realize it then maybe we won't see all the overreacting.
Well, now you are making the case for an overreaction with statements like these. I agree we're not strong in the trenches, but judging Zorn and Cerrato as below average and in over his head after one game is premature. You don't have enough evidence yet to judge Cerrato's first draft class which he was solely in charge of. And one game isn't enough time to tell you whether Zorn can hold a team together through crisis and teach his players how to improve.

I do think we'll end up with a top 10 pick in the draft this year, but to rag on Zorn and Vinny at this point is premature. You just can't expect this team to be very good after such a big transition.

Here's the ultimate sniff test: how in the world do you go from Joe Gibbs to Jim Zorn and get better right away? If you expected Zorn to be better off the bat than Joe Gibbs was in his 4th season back, then you either drastically underestimate what a change in scheme does to a team or you think Joe Gibbs 2.0 was a terrible coach (in which case you're a moron).

The Zorn hire marked a new era. It meant we have to spend a year going through a tough learning period in hopes of taking steps forward in 2009, taking us further than where we were in 2007.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:37 PM   #37
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:45 PM   #38
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We all know that some, maybe more than some overreact.

I don't think it's an overreaction to say that it was one of the sloppiest time management games I've seen in a while. A new head coach doesn't get a pass. He should be ready, it's the NFL.

I don't think it's an overreaction to say JC played like s***. It's not all on JC but he didn't look real comfortable although he settled down a bit.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel but i've been more than concerned for a few weeks.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:03 PM   #39
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Well, now you are making the case for an overreaction with statements like these. I agree we're not strong in the trenches, but judging Zorn and Cerrato as below average and in over his head after one game is premature. You don't have enough evidence yet to judge Cerrato's first draft class which he was solely in charge of. And one game isn't enough time to tell you whether Zorn can hold a team together through crisis and teach his players how to improve.

I do think we'll end up with a top 10 pick in the draft this year, but to rag on Zorn and Vinny at this point is premature. You just can't expect this team to be very good after such a big transition.

Here's the ultimate sniff test: how in the world do you go from Joe Gibbs to Jim Zorn and get better right away? If you expected Zorn to be better off the bat than Joe Gibbs was in his 4th season back, then you either drastically underestimate what a change in scheme does to a team or you think Joe Gibbs 2.0 was a terrible coach (in which case you're a moron).

The Zorn hire marked a new era. It meant we have to spend a year going through a tough learning period in hopes of taking steps forward in 2009, taking us further than where we were in 2007.
But there didn't need to be such a big transition. If the FO had half a brain they would've known that JC and the whole offense is going to struggle having to learn yet another offense. A smart FO keeps the OC. If you don't like Al then bring in a guy who runs the same system with the same terminolgy. Wasn't Cam Cameron out there? Why isn't he here? He's got OC and HC experience and I think he runs the Coryell numbers system. Can you name me one NFL Qb that's had to learn 3 NFL systems in his first 4 years?? Sorry but that's just not smart football. JC played poorly Mon. but he sure isn't getting any help from management. Plus you've got Collins who knows that system and played his ass off to help get this team in the playoffs last season. Sorry but if I'm management I'm keeping Al around just for that reason alone. Why make these guys learn something new when they could perfect what was already in place????

These coaches are paid high salaries. To not have a hurry up offense running with 6 min to go in a game where you're trailing by two scores is just stupid. That's high school stuff. Plus if Zorn watched the tapes from last year he'd know that JC runs the no huddle shotgun pretty damn well. Where the hell was it?? So again, why hire a guy who has no HC or OC experience? All I'm saying is there were more qualified guys out there. Just cause you get along with a guy doesn't mean he's the best guy for the job. This shit isn't about getting along, it's about winning games.

I know I'm overracting a bit. NY is just better. But not being prepared is a whole nother issue. We we not prepared Thurs. night and that pisses me off.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:30 PM   #40
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I think people just need to realize that man for man we just don't match up with the top teams in the NFL. We lack true playmakers on both sides of the ball and we are not a strong team in the trenches. When you add on that fact that our front office is below average and we've got a rookie head coach that looks to be a little in over his head you've got a 4-6 win team. Sometimes people just need to face the facts. I know it sucks cause we homers tend to think our guys are better then they really are. I think that's just the case, not only around here but all over town. Once people realize it then maybe we won't see all the overreacting.
Disagree - plain and simple. I think we agree the guys looked like shit Thurs. I think we agree the transition to the WCO is pretty rough and too slow. We def agree the FO is not up to par w/ elite teams in the NFL. But I can't agree w/ you on our players. Offensively, we're sitting on one of the elite RBs in football, a proven elite TE and another TE that was elite through college, one of the very best fullbacks in football, a QB who has shown flashes of huge potential, WRs that do not fit the WCO but have been major deep threats, and a line that should at least get the job done. To the point I don't think we are utilizing the talent we have on the field at any given time and that is what has been truly frustrating over the last few years and again on Thurs.
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MattyK72, I just want to say god bless you. Sometimes I even wonder if there are real redskins fans still left. We have a rookie HC and a young QB learning his 5 or 6th off. My god people just give them a chance, after the first 5 weeks things ease up on us. All 3 NFC East teams on the road in the first 5 weeks! Come on thats a killer right there, and its not helping Zorn out at all. If Danny will leave Zorn alone, maybe he can flush out this waste on this team and draft some players that will take us to the next level.
So essentially you're calling for patience and hope for future seasons. Sounds about right to me, because this season is not likely to end up above .500.
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Finally? He's been pretty candid about shouldering blame and what his responsibilities are as head coach from day one.
I went back and listened to a number of interviews with Zorn and I still disagree. Watching for the last few months and definitely over the last few games, he has put much of the blame for failures squarely on players. Also, look at the interview that Sonny did with him in the locker room. Do you really think he took responsibility for not getting Cooley the ball and for not managing the clock better?

I'll admit that maybe I'm just used to hearing Gibbs shoulder the blame in a different way. Zorn's critiques just have struck a bad chord with me lately.
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:37 PM   #43
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I am already very tired of this stuff.

Here's what's gonna happen. We'll play the season and see what goes down.

Prediction: Skins fans (like most fans) will react as they always do: like fanatics.
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Disagree - plain and simple. I think we agree the guys looked like shit Thurs. I think we agree the transition to the WCO is pretty rough and too slow. We def agree the FO is not up to par w/ elite teams in the NFL. But I can't agree w/ you on our players. Offensively, we're sitting on one of the elite RBs in football, a proven elite TE and another TE that was elite through college, one of the very best fullbacks in football, a QB who has shown flashes of huge potential, WRs that do not fit the WCO but have been major deep threats, and a line that should at least get the job done. To the point I don't think we are utilizing the talent we have on the field at any given time and that is what has been truly frustrating over the last few years and again on Thurs.
I agree with the Goat, for some reason, we are not utilizing the talent on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think people really want to see Jason fired or all those other silly things, we just want some effort shown. I have a faith in the Redskins roster. I don't like the excuse of Jason having to learn different systems and he needs an adjustment period. that's not true. he will always have rushers in his face and 5 passing options on the field.
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We all know that some, maybe more than some overreact.

I don't think it's an overreaction to say that it was one of the sloppiest time management games I've seen in a while. A new head coach doesn't get a pass. He should be ready, it's the NFL.

I don't think it's an overreaction to say JC played like s***. It's not all on JC but he didn't look real comfortable although he settled down a bit.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel but i've been more than concerned for a few weeks.
He didn't remind anyone of Tom Brady, but did he really play like sh*t? Is 56% completion, a TD, an 81.6% QB rating and no turnovers playing like sh*t? He didn't look great but to read the boards you would have thought we had a blind hippo playing QB and he single handedly cost us the game.
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