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Old 09-08-2008, 12:37 PM   #16
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I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. Iím no highschool football coach, thatís for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest Iím anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

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Define "improvement" in your mind Hess.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:38 PM   #17
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Retarded thread. Where's the panic? Where's the doom and gloom? Why aren't you calling for Zorn to be fired, Campbell benched, and Cerrato indicted?

Seriously though, nice work
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I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. Iím no highschool football coach, thatís for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest Iím anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

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Realists focus on *objective* facts. However, it seems your opinion is that we will never win with JC as our QB. Funny thing is, it's not just about the QB -- it's about the whole team. It's hard to convince me you are being objective when your only/biggest gripe is JC. We clearly have more (bigger) problems than him.

IMO, our biggest problem is the OL. Sure, JC needs to get the ball out quicker, but if he had more time this issue would be moot. Come to think of it, JC has two problems I can think of: holds the ball too long, and is making slow reads/too conservative. Those are minor problems, IMO, and it's nothing unexpected considering he's learning yet another offense.

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Old 09-08-2008, 12:54 PM   #19
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I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. Iím no highschool football coach, thatís for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest Iím anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

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Then explain the Ravens winning with Trent Dilfer, the Bears going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman, Dan Marino having no Super Bowl wins.. Football is a team game.. Sure one or two people can impact that, but to put SO much emphasis on JC (or anyone else for that matter) is just crazy.
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Old 09-08-2008, 01:02 PM   #20
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The ball being thrown (and caught) for more than 9 yards repeatedly. Not having so many three and outs. TDs (more than 2). Portis running for more the 100 yards in at least 6 games. CBs catching ITs that result in points. Not consistently allowing the deep ball from opposing teams. Ending drives in the endzone at the end of games. Improved time management. Very few penalties on both sides of the ball. If Skins break 500 with JC as QB, I'll consider that improvment.
I think the whole team has to step it up to contribute to those improvements right (not just Campbell and Rogers)? Either way, do you understand why what you just wrote there has more weight than a lot of the other posts we have seen here in recent days?
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Thanks for pointing this out. I now have renewed hope that we'll make it to the Superbowl... lol
My point, genius, is that one player doesn't make a team. Teams have succeeded without elite QB and teams have flailed about with great QB. To put SO much focus on ONE player is just silly. It proves a complete lack of knowledge of the game.
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Great job, GTripp.

I have been thinking that about Sellers for a while now. He is not a high-quality pure FB, and that hurts the run game. He does lots of other things well, but that's an issue.

Cooley must improve on his run blocking. While it's a tough assignment at times with DEs, he needs to at least make some contact on those plays! Maybe when Fred Davis develops, it will free things up, but he's got to do better.

I think JC needs to throw more as well, but that's where the lack of 3rd down efficiency really killed us. A few more yards on a few of those 3rds and you get a new set of downs, more chance to open the playbook and use the previous plays to set things up, create mismatches, etc. Having to punt like a billion times does not allow an offense to get in rhythm. We hear that over and over, but it is true. And the rhythm is not just for JC. It's for Zorn and his playcalling.

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Old 09-08-2008, 01:27 PM   #23
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I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they donít suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.

I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome.
Don't confuse differing opinions with worthless, unsubstantiated opinions.
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I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they donít suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.

I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome.
Not true. It's opinions that lack real substance and are reactionary/emotional in nature that we don't appreciate. We're just trying to prevent this place from becoming ES.
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Old 09-08-2008, 01:55 PM   #25
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I was wonder how long until the true H34 came back. Not even here can the world be perfect.
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Not true. It's opinions that lack real substance and are reactionary/emotional in nature that we don't appreciate. We're just trying to prevent this place from becoming ES.
Well to be fair JC has been our QB for several years and I can easly see how people can come to the opinion that he is not an NFL QB. I myself have that big ? in my mind but am willing to give him the chance to prove other wise this year. Its just some of the things he has done in both the WC and Saunders systems that have carried over and he is not improving on.
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Let's just remember this is JC's 4th year in the NFL -- and he didn't play a single game until halfway through his 2nd. The game against the Giants was only his 21st NFL game.

On top of all that, he's learning a new offense.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:36 PM   #28
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i think it's retarded that cooley's line is 1 catch for 7 yards.

our TEs our much better than our receivers, so, we should, like, throw it their way... and stuff...

that's the big thing, zorn needs to integrate him some TE love into the playbook.
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Well to be fair JC has been our QB for several years and I can easly see how people can come to the opinion that he is not an NFL QB. I myself have that big ? in my mind but am willing to give him the chance to prove other wise this year. Its just some of the things he has done in both the WC and Saunders systems that have carried over and he is not improving on.
This is his 2nd full season as the starter.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:40 PM   #30
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Ok........ it's like this I hope I DON'T OFFEND ANYBODY WITH THIS POST

I think JC is unsure and holds the ball longer because he has a slave mentality before you go postal and everything let me explain.

Joe Gibbs played soft and didn't take many chances was a strong believer in the power run game didn't take the handcuffs off JC or the offense as a whole IMO. Now true enough JC has had plenty of coordinators no doubt and that played a vital part in his success. But he was still under Gibbs for three years the safe, conservative play mentality was still there even though the coordinator changed. Now you have a totally different coach, different mentality, more of a killer instinct then Gibbs in Zorn. Taking the cuffs off JC and do away with the conservative play. Zorn wants JC to trust his arm and his receivers well those three years under Gibbs plays a big factor. You can't expect JC within 6 or 7 months to get out of that mindset it takes time and Zorn know that. If you notice he didn't turnover the ball over and he is unsure about things. I rather have a conservative don't want to make a mistake QB then a Rex Grossman reckless throw 3 ints two for tds in one game QB. Time will tell but we have to be patient.
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