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Old 08-29-2004, 03:06 PM   #31
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I have a question about Collin's, If he is as good as you say he is, then why didn't the boy's sign him? And don't tell me at the time you had Carter, Carter is looking for another job right now because Parcell's know's he's a lowsy QB, he used the drug test as an convienent excuse to get rid of him, and I don't blame him 1 bit, so who would you rather have, 40 year old Vinnie? Or super bowl loser Collin's?

Hey.. I drafted Collins in the last round of my fantasy league. He may just be the suprise starter and do damn well in Norv's long ball offense. Or at least I'm wagering money that he does.

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Old 08-29-2004, 03:18 PM   #32
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kerry collins is a very good QB, much better than testes.
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Old 08-29-2004, 05:21 PM   #33
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Collins is playing great in the Raider nation. Good arm, weak legs.
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Old 08-29-2004, 05:28 PM   #34
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I think Ramsey gets dealt away next year for a better draft pick. A veteran QB is the direction this team has it's eyes set on. Brunell will be very successful under Gibbs if he only stays healthy.
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:03 PM   #35
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i doubt ramsey will be traded, gibbs already said he's the future, and mark should last long enough for him to get there.
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Old 08-30-2004, 07:30 AM   #36
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i am gonna say this one time and one time only don't criticise Gibbs cause Ramsey sucks.
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Old 08-30-2004, 10:06 AM   #37
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uhh, what's that in response to? and how can you say that when gibbs said its his fault himself lol

and if your talking about the rams game, there were a lot more players than ramsey who screwed up...
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Old 08-30-2004, 10:54 AM   #38
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Do we have anyone on the team that doesn't suck??

If this forum was running the team we would have run everyone outta town!

From what I've seen on the WP.net chopping block we have the likes of Ramsey, Jacobs, Betts, Gardner, Cartwright, Barrow and Bowen. Am I missing anyone? LOL

Have some patience guys, it's a long season, enjoy the ride.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:23 PM   #39
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:37 PM   #40
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Do we have anyone on the team that doesn't suck??

If this forum was running the team we would have run everyone outta town!

From what I've seen on the WP.net chopping block we have the likes of Ramsey, Jacobs, Betts, Gardner, Cartwright, Barrow and Bowen. Am I missing anyone? LOL

Have some patience guys, it's a long season, enjoy the ride.

Matty, you know that Bowen has to go.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:42 PM   #41
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And don't forget Samuels. I bet all the Samuels haters felt differently when he went down the other night...

But back to the thread, here. It seems to be to be really clear that Ramsey has the physical gifts, but hasn't learned to read pro-defenses. Two years under Spurrier's "system" didn't help. How do you learn to read pro-defenses? Practice with real pro coaches and real pro defenses (ie, Gibbs, Breaux, Williams, etc.). Have a good older QB to mentor you (ie, Brunell), and you get into real games when the pressure isn't extreme and the o-line can protect. All these things are now set up for Ramsey here in DC. Gibbs has asserted time and time again that Ramsey has a great future with the club. When has he ever lied?

So, what, exactly, is the "dilemma" here? Dilemmas are usually "damned if you do, damned if you don't." Here "do" means keeping and developing Ramsey. I don't see the problem. Seems like a good plan to me.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:54 PM   #42
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thank you JWsleep impatience is just really rampant over a preseason that's fairly meaningless right now... though i figure its that way every year...

its looking right now like there's only going to be 5-8 hard cuts this year for the final 53 man roster, and up to 8 of those cuts could end up on the PS...

i don't see how people are saying we should cut some of these guys.... ie, jacobs, 2nd rounder, ruined rookie year, and people are already yelling to toss him (and if that'd happened, we'd get no return on a 2nd round pick and he'd probably end up starting on another team within 2 years)...

firing half the starting line up because they're not peyton manning/ed reed/ray lewis is kinda dim-witted please, just relax... its not like we really have any say in the matter anways.
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Gibbs has asserted time and time again that Ramsey has a great future with the club. When has he ever lied? :

Well, according to KWII Gibbs lied to him. Just kidding guys.
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Old 08-30-2004, 03:48 PM   #44
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Matty, you know that Bowen has to go.
Next year maybe, but in the meantime who replaces him, Lott?? I'm not sure he'd be much better. He looked pretty shaky against the Rams.
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I know that some folks here will not like this, but what the hay...

Patrick Ramsey has looked just short of incompetent so far this pre-season. It isn't that his timing is off or he is just missing his throws; he has looked awful. And that scares me a bit for this reason:

Ramsey showed in the past two years that he is a big tough kid with a big arm. That's it. That's all he showed. Don't tell me about his great scramble against the Jets. Don't tell me how he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat against whomever. He played in a goofy offensive system that asked him to take a pounding and make throws that only someone with a cannon for an arm would have a prayer of completing. That's what he showed.

Now he is in a system for the first time in his life where he has to use a part of his body other than his arm to be successful - - and so far it isn't working. He'd have to improve 200% to look confused out there. My guess is that he has never had to do anything at QB (at Tulane or with the Spurrier Skins) other than drop back and pull the trigger. That is NOT the system that Gibbs uses and in his minicamps and his QB camps and in his passing camps and in training camp, he has not gotten it. Yet...

There have been lots of guys with great arms - better than Ramsey's - who never managed to make it in the NFL because they never got the concept of the mental part of the game. The list is long but the name all of you will recognize immediately is Jeff George whose arm made Ramsey's look like a rag doll.

This is an important year for Patrick Ramsey and the best place for him to be is on the bench so he can try to understand what needs to be done and not try to learn it on the fly. Because if he does not improve a whole lot in the next season, he may not be "the future" for this team - even if Danny Boy is the one who "discovered him" and drafted him. This kid needs a lot of time on the vine - or the pine if you wish - to be able to play in this offensive system.
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