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Old 09-10-2008, 06:46 PM   #16
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

I think the point is so he can see the WHOLE field better to switch off one receiver to another.
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:49 PM   #17
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

He needs help right now to make quick adjustments until he gets comfortable with the offense. Again ... only been one game.
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:56 PM   #18
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

Let's just see how it goes on Sun. This subject has been beaten to death.
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

I like the Boswell article--good points, no doubt.

But there's another factor here, one downplayed due to JCs struggles: the rest of the offense has to play BETTER. They're learning this thing too, and they have not always been sharp. Minimize stupid penalties. Pickup the right blocking assignments in both pass pro and the run game. Receivers have to run the right routes---please run PAST the 1st down sticks! And so on. While JC is part of the problem (and hopefully part of the solution!) the rest of the team needs to step it up!!! Give the man some help.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:07 PM   #20
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

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Personally, I think that he can be very good in a WCO, and especially when he has Kelly, Thomas , and even Davis in there regularly. Ultimately, Campbell is just one piece (though a large piece) of this new offense.

I agree with Matty that Campbell probably isn't being asked to do anything the coaches don't think he's capable of (to think otherwise is to imply they are setting him up for failure).

But there are plenty of people who are ready to write Campbell off now. And that's fine, I think that's extreme, but their opinion. But before they do, I just wanted to ask simply "What Should Zorn Do?"
I don't think it was wise for Campbell to publicly ask for more shotgun formations- he probably should have done that behind closed doors. But I am happy to hear Zorn will grant his request to some extent. Hopefully we'll be creative and have some decent running plays set up out of the shotgun as well.

Zorn should absolutely adapt to Campbell. It's a good question with a simple answer really. You can still continue teaching JC the intricacies of the WCO while playing to his strengths, with the shotgun thing as case in point. If a little more shotgun will help JC see the field and coverages a little faster, then run more of it.
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The best coaches do that, adapt their style to their players. Look at the difference between Reid and Zorn.. Same coaching tree from Holmgren but Reid has always had significant deep ball components to his game because that's one of McNabb's strengths. He uses the screen more than ever (and more than most WCO teams) because it's Westbrook's strength.. Maximizing your talent to win games is what great coaching is about, not making players excel in 'your scheme'.
Great point Paintrain. I've always thought Reid is one of the best coaches in the NFL.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:18 PM   #22
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

I believe its give and take. Let him shotgun it until he's ready (more comfortable) to take it from under center. I believe switching to shotgun is short term. Campbell will make the necessary adjustments and the offense will be flowing. We will have a top 10 offense by week 10. F the naysayers.
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

A coach should do whatever it takes to make sure he's QB is in a position to win.
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Yea but did he really adjust or went with what worked best in his system. He just gave the ball more to Riggins then it opened up the passing game but he did not change anything more than how he called the plays. I take your question as to changing the plays themself to better fit JC which is not going to happen because Zorn believes in the system or he would not have brought it here. He could do minor things to help JC.
minor? the widespread use of singleback formations and H-backs? (mainly to stop LT)... 91's run run bomb offense? (the other seasons didn't quite look the same).

only a stupid coach wouldn't adjust to fit his players. gibbs did it midway into his 1st year, schotty did it with terrible players here... its a free force multiplier, so you might as well use it.
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look - during gibbs II we were strong on screens, on that 3rd and 2 dump off to cooley, on the moss deep balls, running zone and up to middle, HB passes, etc... use what works. right now the big WRs that are needed for his WCO are sidelined, and two of his best receiving threats are TEs - so use them. line up sellers and alexander as blocking TEs or the goalline, whatever it takes.
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

Isn't it the head coaches job to adjust to his teams strengths and design a scheme to fit the players? This is the coaches job and anybody who is not doing that is retarded.
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:20 PM   #27
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

I hate to be harsh, but I think the whole can't see the field thing is just an excuse. Obviously, I don't know for sure, but that's what it sounds like to me. Is a former first round pick who the FO wants to build around really going to admit, "I'm not trusting my receivers. I don't know how to make the right the reads. I don't know what I'm doing in this new offense. I'm overwhelmed."

On a side note, didn't Campbell lobby for a WCO, since he ran it so well in college or was that the brainchild of someone else. I don't remember.
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:46 PM   #28
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

The prescription for success may have come from JC himself.
He said " I need to get back to playin Jason Campbell football. Just drop back and let it go". JC does not look comfortable, happy. Very tenative.
Maybe he needs to just.......relax and play JC ball?
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I like the Boswell article--good points, no doubt.

But there's another factor here, one downplayed due to JCs struggles: the rest of the offense has to play BETTER. They're learning this thing too, and they have not always been sharp. Minimize stupid penalties. Pickup the right blocking assignments in both pass pro and the run game. Receivers have to run the right routes---please run PAST the 1st down sticks! And so on. While JC is part of the problem (and hopefully part of the solution!) the rest of the team needs to step it up!!! Give the man some help.
I think this was clearly shown by AREs two false starts....I think when ur WRs are causing false start penalties, your offense is not up to speed.
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Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

i dont care if youre 6 ft 10 its still hard to see receivers that are 5ft 10 and under.. when our other receivers get out there lets see if it helps him any also. hmmmm idea.... can moss, thrash, portis, cooley and ARE run fast wearing 2foot stilts?
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