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Old 09-15-2008, 01:25 AM   #61
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Re: Goodbye Doughty, Hello Horton!

So is Vinny gonna get any love from the haters for what looks to be one hell of a find?
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:31 AM   #62
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So is Vinny gonna get any love from the haters
for what looks to be one hell of a find?
Yes.....but only this week. If we lose to the Cardinals then it's more bashing for Danny's Raquetball buddy. As for Zorn, well I think that he really got a lot more comfortable with play calling this week. Throughout the game I saw the play calling conform to JC's greatest strength. Throwing the ball downfield. Personally I can't remember the last time we had so many 20+ yard completions in the same game. It looked like JC was playing Madden...no NCAA on PS2 during that second half.

On a somewhat related note, isn't it ironic that Hasselback has struggled for the past two weeks? And don't tell me Reciever problems because that doesn't help my somewhat related note.

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Old 09-15-2008, 02:44 AM   #63
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if anyone doughty's proven he's not an nfl starter. he's an nfl backup that can start if you don't have a better option.
In this case I think we have a different definition of what a starter is. I define a starter as someone who takes care of his assignments and rarely makes mistakes, yet rarely if ever dominates. Doughty fits that mold.

To be even more specific I adhear (spelling?) to the scout.com definition of average starter, which Doughty fits perfectly, and ironically it's also his rating from scout.com

69-60: Average Starter
A valuable roster player but is not dominant against the better players he faces on a week-to-week basis... Gives great effort and you are glad that he is on your team, but he may or may not go to the next level.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:55 AM   #64
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I am not taking anything away from Horton's performance. He played a hell of a game, but it was only one. All of those turnovers were "look what I found" plays. He happend to be in the right place at the right time, and he did what he was supposed to do. Who is to say that Doughty would not have done the same?

I do not think that Doughty has done anything to lose his job, but right now I would not want to be the secondary coach and have to make this decision.
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Let's not go crazy, it was one game. I love the game he played, but every week is different in this league.

well said. I hope he can continue to play at the level he played at yesterday.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:39 AM   #66
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Yes.....but only this week. If we lose to the Cardinals then it's more bashing for Danny's Raquetball buddy. As for Zorn, well I think that he really got a lot more comfortable with play calling this week. Throughout the game I saw the play calling conform to JC's greatest strength. Throwing the ball downfield. Personally I can't remember the last time we had so many 20+ yard completions in the same game. It looked like JC was playing Madden...no NCAA on PS2 during that second half.

On a somewhat related note, isn't it ironic that Hasselback has struggled for the past two weeks? And don't tell me Reciever problems because that doesn't help my somewhat related note.

What blew my mind was when we were in Shotgun INSIDE THE 15 YARD LINE. I can't remember seeing that before on the Redskins.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:54 AM   #67
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I am not taking anything away from Horton's performance. He played a hell of a game, but it was only one. All of those turnovers were "look what I found" plays. He happend to be in the right place at the right time, and he did what he was supposed to do. Who is to say that Doughty would not have done the same?

I do not think that Doughty has done anything to lose his job, but right now I would not want to be the secondary coach and have to make this decision.

Here's the thing though, he WAS in the right place and he DID make the play. So often this defense gives up several TO opportunities bc they drop the ball or just cant get to a tipped ball. The fact is he did it three times in his first start, and no matter if they were gifts he made the plays when he needed to, and it was damn impressive. We need a little more of that on our D, and hopefully he'll continue to bring it.


P.S. I remember thinking last year that Landry was developing at a similar pace to what Taylor had, yeah he made a few mental errors, but his athleticism and instinct for the game were undeniable. At this point I think he may be developing faster then Taylor was at this point, as far as technique and reliability, perhaps Sean was a bigger play maker though, but its exciting to see this kid mature so fast, hopefully he'll get comfortable enough with Horton that he'll start knocking heads off and making the picks Taylor was late in his career. Also, I saw Landry coaching Horton before several plays, keeping him in position, reading the defense . . . that is invaluable when your trying to fill that position, and incredibly impressive from a second year player.

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Old 09-15-2008, 09:05 AM   #68
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Re: Goodbye Doughty, Hello Horton!

could someone post a poll about who the starter should be next week? wisdom of the masses...
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I am not taking anything away from Horton's performance. He played a hell of a game, but it was only one. All of those turnovers were "look what I found" plays. He happend to be in the right place at the right time, and he did what he was supposed to do. Who is to say that Doughty would not have done the same?

I do not think that Doughty has done anything to lose his job, but right now I would not want to be the secondary coach and have to make this decision.
That's my thinking as well.
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I think Horton gets the start next week... and i say that because maybe the team chemistry is better with him out there, not knocking of doughty. But its about chemistry and how your guys play as total unit.
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:32 AM   #71
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i like what i saw with him yesterday..very aggressive....he,s another bright spot for us....he gets a game ball from me.
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:32 AM   #72
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YouTube - Chris Horton Hit vs. Notre Dame

Nice college hit by Horton.

Didn't Horton have a similair pre-season game where he was always around the ball. I like the guy but he still needs to prove a bunch.
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:51 AM   #73
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yeah dbag, i guess our definitions of starter are different. i'd say 79-70 is a starter, not 69-60 as far as scout.com.

WillH - landry was a better prospect out of college than taylor was, he just doesn't have that fear factor... i mean, he'll still hit a guy out of bounds, but you never think he's trying to flat out destroy the guy. beyond that, he's faster and has better recognition... sean was never great at lining other people up, but landry is/will be.
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:52 AM   #74
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Even though the ball bounced straight to him on both plays, he at least caught the ball which puts him way ahead of several others in the secondary. Plus, it seems like some guys just have a knack for being in the right place at the right time. Others work just as hard and seem to be perpetually a moment too late.

Horton may not be named officially the starter, but he will certainly be on the field more and more. Let's just let it happen naturally, and not get to upset if Blache doesn't hold a ceremony where he declares Horton to be the second coming.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:06 AM   #75
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I agree, but I just think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.

If Doughty had caught the two tipped INTs for some reason I think that people would be using that more to downplay the performance, but with Horton he's being crowned a "ballhawk". I just want to see a bit more of him before I'm comfortable saying he's the better option than Doughty.
I know a lot of people are claiming that Horton was simply in the right place at the right time, but the kid was always around the ball in preseason too. I think, at the very least, he's a budding ballhawk. Some players have a natural ability to be around the ball, and Horton seems to be one of them.

If Blache doesn't feel the need to start Horton over Doughty, he damn well better find a way to put him on the field, often.
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