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Old 09-17-2008, 11:51 AM   #31
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Re: Horton Wins NFC Defensive Player of the Week

Zorn said that Horton WILL NOT START this week in his press conf.
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No one deserves it more. Glad we got him.
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Anyone else notice how fast Horton is?
Yes, back when I watched him play for UCLA.

That's why I was so keen on the Redskins signing him.

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good for him. hopefully all his new supporters donít turn on him when he makes a rookie mistake and gets burned.
That is probably why they don't want him out to go against Kurt Warner.
That dude has great long ball vision....not to say Breese doesn't....but dont even try to compare the Saints WR's last week with what the Cardinals have.

Do I have more faith in Horton now....damn straight I do, but he would be targetted heavily against a savy squad of passers and receiver.
I say, start him against teams like the ravens to get used to average pass attacks...lets be honest, the Saints were not fully loaded last week and Horton did just fine.
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Old 09-18-2008, 03:19 PM   #35
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I put him at SS last night in Madden. Two interceptions and a forced fumble. Art imitating life?
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I do think he recovered a blocked punt once, but I could be wrong.
Yeah you are correct. He did in the preseason game...Westbrook couldn't handle it and he came in and got the recovery. Forgot which game it was.

By Zorns comments and waht I've read on the redskins blog. Doughty is starting again. But I we get a big dose of Horton. He just has that ball hawk instinct & mentality and you can't teach that.
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I don't know what the coaches see in Doughty. He is slow, always out of place and gets burned just as much as Archuleta did. It's not about what you do in practice but what you do on gameday. Horton showed us something even in preseason from the very moment he hit the field...he had a couple sacks and some very good tackles in his first action. I just hope that Blache isn't so stubborn and old school that he won't make a change much like Zorn did with Jon Jansen. Having said that, I understand the D's motto of "there are no starters". Greg Williams coached the same way. Doughty might know more of the playbook and has a good work ethic, but he is nowhere near Horton in terms of athletic ability. Horton has way more upside and needs to see way more time than RD.
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:27 PM   #38
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Alot of fans on this site have Reed Doughty crushes. I always bring up the point, Dude what has Doughty done to deserve to start? And no one figures to answer it. So if any of you guys think Doughty should start against the Cards or any game please explain why.
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Why do you think Zorn and Blanche think he should start? I would imagine because he knows the system better right now. There is obviously some reason why Blanche wants him to start and I will trust his judgement since he's been doing this for so long. I think Horton is a hell of player. I told my girlfriend during preseason, this guy is something special. Is he better than Doughty? His upside is WAY better than Doughtys. But what is wrong with playing him part of the game until the coaches are satisfied that he knows the D well enough to start and won't make rookie mistakes? He ain't going anywhere. This kid keeps playing the way he played last week, he won't be on the bench for long.
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Why do you think Zorn and Blanche think he should start? I would imagine because he knows the system better right now. There is obviously some reason why Blanche wants him to start and I will trust his judgement since he's been doing this for so long. I think Horton is a hell of player. I told my girlfriend during preseason, this guy is something special. Is he better than Doughty? His upside is WAY better than Doughtys. But what is wrong with playing him part of the game until the coaches are satisfied that he knows the D well enough to start and won't make rookie mistakes? He ain't going anywhere. This kid keeps playing the way he played last week, he won't be on the bench for long.
Like you said, it's called experience vs inexperience. Not too many teams start a rookie at safety especially a 7th rounder. We know he will be special, but for now experience is what counts and that's why Doughty starts, as Horton earns trust from the coaches he will be more involved. Patience to everyone, he will eventually start.
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:03 AM   #41
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The way people talk about Reed Doughty and how "bad" he has played, it makes me think that the expectations of him are that of a superstar, when I have always said that Doughty is an average player. Doughty should lose his job either because his performance drops and/or because Horton outperforms hims after a number of games. Doughty should not lose his job b/c he caught a f'ing stomach virus. Rookies are going to perform well in one game, and as Blache would say it can break your heart the next. I don't think the team is going to risk that with the type of passing game that we're going to face this Sunday.

That being said, I tried to find some way to measure RD's performance, and all I could find was # of tackles (since there are some claims that he can't tackle). In seven games (from Wk 13 of last season to this season's Wk 1 game against the Giants) here are RDs tackle stats:

Total Tkls: 45; Total Solo Tkls: 29; Total Ast Tkls: 16; Pass Def: 2
Avg Tkls/Game: 6.4; Avg Solo Tkls/Game: 29
Best Performance (Wk 15 vs. NYG): 11 Tkls, 7 Solo, 1 Pass Def
Worst Performance (Wk 16 @ MIN): 2 Tkls, 1 Solo, 0 Pass Def
Last Performance: 6 Tkls, 4 Solo, 0 Pass Def

Based on just number of tackles, RD's numbers are higher than other Free Safeties in the division . His two pass defended were comparable to other safeties in the division, save for Hamlin of the Cowpokes who had a significant higher number of PDs.

No one is taking away from Horton's performance and potential. We are lucky to have such a good young player. However, stop making arguments that Horton should start after just one game. He needs to develop this season, and could be a starter at the end of the season. But just don't call for a change in roster just b/c of a stomach virus.
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Re: Horton Wins NFC Defensive Player of the Week

To show Chris Horton a bit of love, head on over to PFT and click on their Best Defensive Player of Week Two Poll

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He's currently way behind Woodson. Travesty!
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Chris Horton was coached in college by a former Redskin coach who is familiar with our defense. He's 6'1-212 pounds and a very hard hitter. In college he sent numerous guys to the sideline for medical attention. He has good instincts and is around the ball more often than not. In his first start as a rookie, he won nfc defensive player of the week. He is considered a football player more than an athlete ( H.B. Blades). Reed Doughty should start. But I would say Horton has a very GOOD upside.
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For what it's worth, the SS almost never ends up in coverage in the Blache defense. If we are afraid to play Doughty because we think O coordinators would isolate him, let it be known that NY was unable to do so, and Horton (who was starting his first NFL game) played the whole game, and got thrown at once...and that pass wasn't even close.

So any player who knows their assignments and can help against the run when needed could be successful at SS for us.
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:19 AM   #45
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Doughty is one of my favorite players. Anyone who can overcome the things he has, is a hero in my book. I'm completely satisfied with him as our starting safety. I think he catches way to much crap from fans and gets thrown under the bus when another player comes along that people think can play better. They act like he's just there until we get someone better. He does a good job as far as I'm concerned. I don't think that talking about the merits of one of our other players takes away from Reed. I'm glad we have both of them. We finally have quality depth. Someone being good does'nt mean the other guy must be bad. Sorry if it came across that way. I'm glad we have 2 good players at strong safety, are'nt you?
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