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Old 09-22-2008, 07:57 PM   #106
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I NEVER think we will lose, and I stay positive all the way until the final whistle blows...that's just who I am. That being said, there are only two teams that I feel are elite teams right now, that's Dallas and Denver. Can we beat them? Certainly! But we need to be better in all facets of the game to do so.
Would you add San Diego to this if they thrash the Jets tonight?

I assume that would be the next step, seeing as how they played your #1 team to a virtual tie in Denver.
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Old 09-22-2008, 07:58 PM   #107
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haha you can say that again. Hey if we beat the #1 ranked Dallas Cowboys, doesn't that automatically makes us #1 ?!. Big IF I know. Just throwing that out there.
Well, no. But it would make them not #1, most likely.
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Old 09-22-2008, 08:38 PM   #108
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I love that part! Zorn, the LEAST experienced coach in the league who has not even worked as a coordinator.

Okay, if that is what you think.
Even with his inexperience, Zorn has one more win over Jimmy "Mr. Do" Johnson who started his first year coaching 1-15. Remember? How bout them Cowboys!
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:19 PM   #109
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We all "hate to love" TO but he is indeed the best reciever in the game.
Gotta disagree with you. T.O. is great I'll admit, But I gotta give it to Randy Moss. I have seen T.O. drop way too many passes over the years to crown him the best.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:29 PM   #110
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Would you add San Diego to this if they thrash the Jets tonight?

I assume that would be the next step, seeing as how they played your #1 team to a virtual tie in Denver.
They are 0-2. Granted they had a blown call that lost them a game, but it should have never came down to that. They are not elite right now...IF they crush the Jets, and that would depend on how they crush the Jets they still won't be elite, but they would be hovering around 10-13 on the power poll. The Jets are average (between 13-18 on the power poll), so beating them isn't exactly a huge thing.

San Diego certainly has the talent to be an elite team, but they are not playing like one at all. Is it coaching? Maybe. Who knows at this point. Could they be elite in 2 or 3 games, absolutely. So tonight is not the deciding factor.

ps- it's 17-14 SD right now.
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Gotta disagree with you. T.O. is great I'll admit, But I gotta give it to Randy Moss. I have seen T.O. drop way too many passes over the years to crown him the best.
Randy Moss only knows how to run one route...his age is starting to catch up with him and when his speed is gone you will see how great he REALLY is...Owens is a balanced WR while he's both fast and is a possesion reciever which he will have to rely on when his speed is gone...mark my word TO will outlast Moss in this league...and Moss is insignificant without a QB just as he was in Oakland...I don't care what team you put TO on he will still distinguish himself from the rest
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Gotta disagree with you. T.O. is great I'll admit, But I gotta give it to Randy Moss. I have seen T.O. drop way too many passes over the years to crown him the best.
I gotta agree with you. TO is certainly an elite WR, but his dropsies are holding him back from being the best. Even this week he dropped a perfect pass right in his hands vs GB. Missed another that was "catchable" but I doubt they called it a drop. Throw in his emotions and his ability to kill chemistry, and he drops on my list even farther.
Really is a shame he's bipolar (or at least seems like it), the man is physically a beast. Ever since David Boston left the league, Owens is the unquestioned leader in amazing physical fitness among WR's.
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I gotta agree with you. TO is certainly an elite WR, but his dropsies are holding him back from being the best. Even this week he dropped a perfect pass right in his hands vs GB. Missed another that was "catchable" but I doubt they called it a drop. Throw in his emotions and his ability to kill chemistry, and he drops on my list even farther.
Really is a shame he's bipolar (or at least seems like it), the man is physically a beast. Ever since David Boston left the league, Owens is the unquestioned leader in amazing physical fitness among WR's.
Do you think it's bipolar or just amazingly selfish? Have you ever seen someone look so miserable during a big win as TO did last night? He wasn't smiling once, and I'll bet every penny I have it's because his stat line was 2 rec, 17yds. Straight up SELFISH. Why do you think Romo took that unnecessary shot at the endzone to TO when the game was well in hand? Guaranteed TO asked for that. I hate the dude.

But yeah, he's a physical freak.
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I don't care what team you put TO on he will still distinguish himself from the rest
What evidence do you have to support this? Randy Moss went to a HORRIBLE Raiders team that didn't even want to throw his way. And he only knows how to run one route?! Come on, man you dont break the single season touchdown record running only one route.
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Even with his inexperience, Zorn has one more win over Jimmy "Mr. Do" Johnson who started his first year coaching 1-15. Remember? How bout them Cowboys!
I appreciate your "homerism" where Zorn is concerned, but now you are drawing comparisons between him and a former head coach that had back to back Super Bowl victories, and is a probable hall of famer. And you draw this comparison after only 3 regular season games in Zorns coaching career.

Maybe it's me, but do you not think that may be just a smidgin premature?
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Randy Moss only knows how to run one route...his age is starting to catch up with him and when his speed is gone you will see how great he REALLY is...Owens is a balanced WR while he's both fast and is a possesion reciever which he will have to rely on when his speed is gone...mark my word TO will outlast Moss in this league...and Moss is insignificant without a QB just as he was in Oakland...I don't care what team you put TO on he will still distinguish himself from the rest
I call BS.
Put Owens on the Rams, or Miami, and he will disappear. Well minus the crying and bitching to get him the ball, or trade him to a good team. Moss had to suffer on one of the worst teams in the NFL in oakland.

Here is who Owens had throwing the majority of the passes to him over the years.

Steve Young (hall of famer)
Elvis Grbac (pro bowler without TO fyi)
Jeff Garcia (4 time pro bowler)
Donovan McNabb (5 time pro bowler, possible HOFer when career is over)
Drew Bledsoe (4 time pro bowler and possible HOFer)
Tony Romo

Here is who Moss had throwing to him:

Randall Cunningham
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Dante Culpepper
Kerry Collins
Andrew Walter
Aaron Brooks
Tom Brady (only 1 season mind you)
Matt Cassel

Which list would you rather have to this point? Keep in mind you'd only get Brady for 1 season.

ps- there have been several comments about Moss's polished route running. He is a complete WR. Also, Moss has 126 TD's and Owens has 134 tds...only 8 different, yet Owens is 4 years older.
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Do you think it's bipolar or just amazingly selfish? Have you ever seen someone look so miserable during a big win as TO did last night? He wasn't smiling once, and I'll bet every penny I have it's because his stat line was 2 rec, 17yds. Straight up SELFISH. Why do you think Romo took that unnecessary shot at the endzone to TO when the game was well in hand? Guaranteed TO asked for that. I hate the dude.

But yeah, he's a physical freak.
He acts bipolar to me, but it could be an unparalleled selfishness. Either way, you're right.
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I call BS.
Put Owens on the Rams, or Miami, and he will disappear. Well minus the crying and bitching to get him the ball, or trade him to a good team. Moss had to suffer on one of the worst teams in the NFL in oakland.

Here is who Owens had throwing the majority of the passes to him over the years.

Steve Young (hall of famer)
Elvis Grbac (pro bowler without TO fyi)
Jeff Garcia (4 time pro bowler)
Donovan McNabb (5 time pro bowler, possible HOFer when career is over)
Drew Bledsoe (4 time pro bowler and possible HOFer)
Tony Romo

Here is who Moss had throwing to him:

Randall Cunningham
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Dante Culpepper
Kerry Collins
Andrew Walter
Aaron Brooks
Tom Brady (only 1 season mind you)
Matt Cassel

Which list would you rather have to this point? Keep in mind you'd only get Brady for 1 season.

ps- there have been several comments about Moss's polished route running. He is a complete WR. Also, Moss has 126 TD's and Owens has 134 tds...only 8 different, yet Owens is 4 years older.
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Great post jsarno! My friend and I had this same conversation the other day and I brought up qb's respectively.
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Old 09-22-2008, 10:22 PM   #119
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He acts bipolar to me, but it could be an unparalleled selfishness. Either way, you're right.
Completely selfish... I remember seeing him on Cribs. He drives a custom VW Bug (one of the new girly ones)...on the same show he admited to being single for a very long time. Hmm wonder why.
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Completely selfish... I remember seeing him on Cribs. He drives a custom VW Bug (one of the new girly ones)...on the same show he admited to being single for a very long time. Hmm wonder why.

A BUG??????? What a joke.

It doesn't surprise me he's single, woman don't like to be with high maintenance men with attitude problems, and selfish tendancies. They already called those traits!
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